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Tuskers - no honor and weak.

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Jin Shugo
Stick Fighter Union
Shadow Ultimatum
#41 - 2011-11-24 15:49:34 UTC
Keltaris Cesaille wrote:
Jin Shugo wrote:

We already had one douche in this thread there isn't room for another. Again with the childish name calling, go back to Wow and let the men settle this matter.


Your argument is invalid:

Jin Shugo wrote:

[ 2011.11.24 04:09:56 ] Jin Shugo > 1 vs 1
[ 2011.11.24 04:10:54 ] Jin Shugo > fags


Your mad bro

I look forward to your apology, transfer 58 million ISK to me and ill consider the matter closed



Who are you and what are you doing in my thread? Leave. Here is twenty isk to pay a Tuskers mother to warm your bed.
Gun Dam
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2011-11-24 16:06:12 UTC
made my day
Gordon Gartrell
Doomheim
#43 - 2011-11-24 16:25:46 UTC
ive fought multiple agreed 1v1s with various tuskers over the years...all have been honored...in fact they have gone out of their way to keep their friends (including non-tuskers) from jumping in

you make the agreement before the fight starts and you are very specific to your terms or there is no agreement.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#44 - 2011-11-24 16:39:24 UTC
ITT OP flies the quintessential bait ship, wonders why people chose to gank and run in OMS rather than hang around for the Arazu to decloak.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Othran
Route One
#45 - 2011-11-24 16:46:53 UTC
Anyone accepting a 1 v 1 is an idiot. Doesn't matter what corp you are in, this isn't some historical duel, pistols at dawn honour crap mmm?

All accepting a 1 v 1 does is confirm where you will be to his buddies. Why do it? Might as well light a cyno and have done with it P

FWIW I've never found the Tuskers anything other than completely straightforward - they're going to try to kill you if they can, regardless (largely) of who you are and that's nice and easy to understand isn't it?
Amber Thetawaves
Mong's Marauders
#46 - 2011-11-24 16:53:46 UTC
>fair 1 vs 1 in old man star

stopped reading right there
Jak'rat
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-11-24 17:59:20 UTC
Jin Shugo wrote:
I was engaged in a fair 1 vs 1 in old man star .


I know an oxymoron when I see one...

"That's not a ship, it's a flying shotgun..."
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#48 - 2011-11-24 18:55:25 UTC
One of the best trolls in a long time. Made me read all the posts..

entertaining, 7/10 for keeping me interested, would read again.
Tirelion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2011-11-25 02:00:12 UTC
Jin Shugo wrote:
Keltaris Cesaille wrote:
Jin Shugo wrote:

We already had one douche in this thread there isn't room for another. Again with the childish name calling, go back to Wow and let the men settle this matter.


Your argument is invalid:

Jin Shugo wrote:

[ 2011.11.24 04:09:56 ] Jin Shugo > 1 vs 1
[ 2011.11.24 04:10:54 ] Jin Shugo > fags


Your mad bro

I look forward to your apology, transfer 58 million ISK to me and ill consider the matter closed



Who are you and what are you doing in my thread? Leave. Here is twenty isk to pay a Tuskers mother to warm your bed.

You just love to be hated don't you? I love seeing the glittering tears of fail pilots as they rage helplessly against what they can't control. You lost, you died, and your an idiot. As for the Tuskers you won't find a more respectable group of pirates (we certainly aren't ;) The Tuskers are our friends and rivals, you'd do well to respect them.

As to other's who think that 1v1's aren't honored you're fools too. Even we in Shadow Cartel have a strict policy against violating a true 1v1. People think that if they happen to find themselves in a situation where they are fighting another ship, and the fight was not pre-arranged, that this means they are now in a "1v1" this is not the case. It is normal for only one ship to warp into a place and get tackle BEFORE the rest of the gang arrives. Very rarely will they all simply drop on your head at once. At some point you should actually learn something about lowsec combat tactics. A true "1v1" will be pre-arranged, and those will never be violated, at least not by a Tusker, or a Shadow Cartel member.

Also, grow a nut-sack and accept that you were wrong.
Smodab Ongalot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2011-11-25 04:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Smodab Ongalot
Oh, where to start?

Tuskers honor 1v1s, just like most of the decent low-sec/pirate corps. In fact, I struggle to think of a decent corp that routinely dishonors them.


The link is good, something mutilates it when you click out of the eve forum.

The link is:
http://www.the-tuskers.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63

But gets turned into:
http://www.the-tuskers.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63

Asking for a 1v1 after a fight has started is impractical, you can't expect to do this and have people agree to it. You really need to ask before the fight has started, as others have said.

Lastly....

Othran wrote:

Anyone accepting a 1 v 1 is an idiot. Doesn't matter what corp you are in, this isn't some historical duel, pistols at dawn honour crap mmm?

All accepting a 1 v 1 does is confirm where you will be to his buddies. Why do it? Might as well light a cyno and have done with it P

FWIW I've never found the Tuskers anything other than completely straightforward - they're going to try to kill you if they can, regardless (largely) of who you are and that's nice and easy to understand isn't it?


Do you play eve while you are hiding in the closet with your safety light? Don't be so paranoid... There are lots of people out there that will honor 1v1s, many are through corp enforced rules with punishments for those that dishonor them. As someone that solo's frequently, I run into this attitude constantly. I can't hardly imagine what it must be like to be so frightened all the time.


edit:
Proof that tuskers honor 1v1s: http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10928779
This fight was 3 jumps from their home system and there were 3 other tuskers in frigs 1 system over. They had plenty of time to come help, but they did not because they, like most decent low-sec corps, honor PRE-ARRANGED 1v1s

And yes, your browser might eat that link too. You may need to cut and paste it into your browser to properly see it.
Lord Zeel
Doomheim
#51 - 2011-11-25 05:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zeel
Hello. The Tuskers honored a 1v1 with me the other day. I jumped into their system looking for some action and warped to the sun, mwd'd and sat 100km out. Waited a couple minutes, there were 4 of them in local, a Malediction appeared on my overview and started burning towards me as I burned towards him, all of a sudden a Pilgrim uncloaked so I hop out to a safe. I made a sad face in local and requested a 1v1, Mr. Grog Drinker agreed so I went back and we had our fight.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11638228
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-11-25 13:20:42 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
The troll, it's strong in this one:

Nice job, OP, I actually read the whole thread, and eagerly await its' continuation!

9/10 (-1 for capitalisation, and because it's honour--remember, we speak English hereBlink)

Oh, and, apropos nothing else whatsoever...locator agent running.


Honor is fine, last I checked us yanks outnumber.....well the rest of the English speaking world by about 3-1. Not sure why you Queen's English speakers insist on adding letters to otherwise simple words. Big smile
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#53 - 2011-11-25 13:48:28 UTC
I love fighting the Tuskers and more often than not it is a 1v1 even though I do not bother requesting one formally. A couple of times it has ended up with another Tusker landing on grid towards the end of the fight but I don't get angry and make unreasonable accusations about them on the forum, they are simply doing what they do.

By the way, thats 2 out of possibly 50 engagements I have had with them and I got out both times anyway. They are very nice people to talk to in game. I can't think of a single time they have acted unprofessionally or smack talked (I'm sure they would reciprocate if you are going to be a peurile baby yourself).

I've even been invited to join them taking a target down, ended up with them switching to me afterwards in a friendly fire spot of confusion and been pod ransomed, pod ransom honoured and then the whole lot refunded after the confusion! So I would say they are pretty honourable and decent people.

I even got a free Retribution to save me going back to HQ for a new ship after an arranged 1v1 with Sulei.

I really don't understand why you would be so hostile about losing a Drake by engaging someone in low sec without arranging the fight in advance. If you want revenge I am sure they will be happy to agree a rematch under fair terms.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#54 - 2011-11-25 14:53:55 UTC
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Xedam Praxis
Repo.
#55 - 2011-11-25 15:05:08 UTC
I’ve had the fortune of fighting against and with (in those shaky, yet mutually beneficial arrangements that sometimes evolve in low-sec) the Tuskers and will also confirm the quality of their organization. Pirate

“The word of a gentleman is as good as his bond; and sometimes better.”

  • Charles Dickens
Jin Shugo
Stick Fighter Union
Shadow Ultimatum
#56 - 2011-11-25 15:05:51 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Thread cleaned from inappropriate posts.


It appears that a few of us have been "cleaned" by one of the forum police. A full page of replies are gone. I guess we are done here. Too bad my post that just got flushed down the internet's toilet was a good one.

My apologies to CCP if I crossed a line. :)

Later.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#57 - 2011-11-25 15:30:38 UTC
Don't discuss moderation.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2011-11-25 16:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Taurean Eltanin
Quote:
But if you're more interested in the code by which we live and die, well then...

•I am a pirate, daring and cunning. Though I may rat or mine or run missions, they take second place in my life.
•I am a lifelong learner. I seek the respect of other space-farers through mastery of the martial skills, including use of the onboard scanner, probing complexes and spaceships, ship modules, and known procedures of CONCORD, faction police, and sentries. Knowing that the fight may be over before it has begun, I seek to engage others only on my terms.
•I earn my own ISK and buy my own ships and supplies. I may share from my abundance with less fortunate Tuskers, and I may accept their largesse in turn. I split loot equitably with my gangmates, being especially gracious with those who have suffered material loss.
•I appreciate the opportunity of flying with my Tusker comrades, thereby multiplying target opportunities. Tuskers learn from one another and Tuskers learn by doing. However, I do not need a gang to practice my nefarious profession, and hunt solo with ease.
•I respect all my opponents, win, lose, or draw. I always volunteer a "gf." I am free with my praise and advice with a receptive foe. I invite those with promise to consider becoming a Tusker.
•I relish opportunities to win a ransom, as prudence allows. If I am given the ransom I demand, or if I accept a ransom offer, I will honor that ransom. I will clearly communicate the terms and time limit of any ransom, and honor those terms before re-engaging a target. If I accidentally kill a target after receiving a ransom, or if I receive a ransom after having destroyed my target, I will return the ransom immediately.
•I don't talk smack. My actions speak for themselves.
•I post my kills and losses promptly, whenever another player shows up on my killmail.
•I don't engage in consensual PVP (1-vs-1's or duels), for I wish to engage others only on my terms, and other pilots may be dishonorable. But as for me, should I ever accept a 1-vs.-1 or a duel, I shall honor it.
•If I verbally invite someone into my fleet, or if I accept someone's verbal request to join my fleet, they are safe in fleet with me. I will let them know to watch out later, though, unless the Tusker diplomats grant them official standings.
•Although it may be convenient for me to let my target falsely assume he's safe from me, he may hold me to anything I actually do say; I keep my word.


There's been a lot of talk about the Tusker Code, but I did not see anyone actually post it, so here it is.

Please note that there is nothing in there about having to accept 1v1s, only having to honor them if we do accept. We make no claim to be nice people (we are pirates, after all), just people who actually mean what they say.

The OP might also consider that in busy systems we need to hit hard and get out before backup arrives. The fact that the OP was agressing other pilots with no backup nearby is not something we could have known beforehand, or indeed, even know now with any certainty.

Beyond that, I'm not sure I can add anything that other Tuskers have not already said.

Fly dangerous.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.
General Mr
Seriously Educated eXamplary Event Servicemen
#59 - 2011-11-25 17:42:53 UTC
I, too, have been unjustly handled by the Tuskers.
When I joined they said we would be friends forever, but in the end all they did was kill my Tempest and be mean to me. Cry
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#60 - 2011-11-25 19:11:45 UTC
Unless rules are mutually agreed upon before a fight, no one has the right to challenge ones E-Honour.

I can only recall one fight I ever had with tuskers, an Enyo and hawk versus a firetail and comet, though we lost (no range, and I totally burnt my guns out not paying attention, plus they were pretty good pilots), they gave a GF in local we gave a GF in local, I can say even losing my ship, I was a satisfied customer.

I think the OP has a case of unjustifed buyers remorse, I hear it happens alot around this time of year.