EVE New Citizens Q&A

It takes 12-15 missions to get the Stratios by using Level 4 SOE agents in Lowsec. Lowsec agents pay more LP.

Bear in mind that those of us who run the missions there watchout for other mission runners and kill them because you are going to be our market competition when selling the SOE ships.

The missions are doable in lowsec by using ships that travel cloaked (or at least which use the cloak & MWD trick). You also need to use your d-scan religiously every few seconds to make sure that no one has combat scanner probes deployed to find you - don't forget to set your overview to show these.

But like I said... watch out. Those of us who run the missions in Lowsec to get these ships do not want others around. We know that while we run the missions we are prey for gankers, so we are careful and watch d-scan.

We are generally also experienced PVP-ers and have PVP fit and scanning ships nearby. If we find your mission we will try and kill you. And if we find your mission but you saw us and left, we will cloak up inside your mission and wait for you to come back so that we can kill you.

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If you insist on running high level missions in Lowsec, I should warn that I think that Battleships are too unwieldy and take too long to align and warp out. You should use T3 strategic cruisers or T2 heavy assault cruisers. Battleships will draw pirates like blood in the water.

That's not what he suggested at all.

He was warning you about the landscape and the kind of things you need to watch out for, all of which are true. They are also all things that can be circumvented with intelligent play on your own side, and doesn't involve an excess of skillpoints or money.

He suggested a "tech 2 or 3 cruiser". A properly-fit t2 cruiser is not going to cost you any more than a properly-fit t1 battleship.

Honestly most of lowsec is empty or close to being empty. It is generally safe to mission or rat in lowsec if you are careful. That being said, if you pick one of the popular places you are going to run into folk. SOE missions are the flavor of the month, so if you try to do them in lowsec you are going to be going up against significant competition. If you are in a mission ship ratting, you need to spam your dscan looking for probes and when you see them safeup and cloak or dock. If you are running cargo missions - then you need to learn the warp/cloak trick. For a newer player wanting to try lowsec, I would recommend that you find a system that is comparatively empty, scout it out, and try to make friends with any locals.

Edit - when you see folk in a system you should look at them; see who they are; check their sec status and if they are related to others in the system; maybe even look at their kb. While not being foolproof, such background checks will give you an idea of who you need to be wary of.

I'd disagree, as this can easily lead to a false sense of security.
I used to do this, but since I got attacked by someone with a 4.8 security status I prefer to be paranoid and consider anyone dangerous.

Hac's are a significant sp investment compared to the three days to train t1 battleships. Throw on the higher core skills required to make them effective, and its a pretty large difference.

While I wouldn't want to discourage the OP from living in low sec you don't need to to get Sisters standing / LP. So if you can't find a quiet-ish place perhaps due to the TZ you play in or whatever you could just run Sisters missions in high sec. The Agent Finder is pretty useful and even if you can't find a decent high sec agent you can just do Gallente missions and use the derived standings to get access to Sisters agents that way.

You can also do the Sisters Epic Arc, if you haven't already done so, and select Gallente at the end to make use of the derived standings boost.

Factually on HAC vs BS training time .

As this is New Citizens Q&A, I'll assume the OP didn't inject the HAC skill when its skill reqs were lower.

HAC skill requires Advanced Weapons Upgrades 5. While that is a great skill to have inside the first 15-18 months of your career, it is a very, very long train and most 3-6 month old characters get by with AWU at 3 or 4.

For a Deimos to be effective, you need the following:

- Tech 2 medium blasters or rails (~20 days) or both (~22 days)
- Gallente Cruiser 5 (~25 days)
- Core skills (15 days to a decent level)
- AWU 5 (30 days including WU5)
- Tech 2 active armor tank (7 days)
- HAC skill to 4 (6 days)
- Prop mods (not much skilling)

A BS, on the other hand, requires Racial Battleship 4, core skills, meta 4 armor tank and Drones 5/Drone Interfacing 3 to deal with frigates.

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Now all that said, a missioning BS is a sitting duck in lowsec. I would advise the OP to fly those missions in a tech 1 cruiser, fitted with tech 2 modules (good value named modules for things where t2 is a long train, like guns, where you might use meta 4 guns). T1 cruisers at medium skills can complete L3 missions in good time, and with good skills you can blitz them. If you lose a ship here and there, who cares?

If you fly in a Vexor it is possible to be surprisingly effective at PVP while in a 'missioning' fit. A two-module active armor tank (EANMII + Medium Armor Repairer II), three Drone Damage Amplifier IIs (or 2 and a Magstab, check in EFT which is better) with two webs and a warp scrambler can do ridiculous damage up close.





As someone that usually keeps my security status positive (it isn't right now) I can say - please do trust us positive sec status people. We are indeed harmless and... is that a knife in your back, or are you just happy to see me?

prices have come down a bit since you were last around I think but I still think the same logic applies

There is no point in running low sec mission as you're ship is going to be blown up at some point and you've just wasted ISK for no reward. Best go to high sec and do the missions there in safety. Sure it will take longer but you'll make ISK and if that's too boring you could always buy the ship on the market. probably cheaper than that battleship you would have lost I'd you'd tried to get the LP yourself in low.

http://themittani.com/features/go-curse-young-capsuleer

This guy said once that all new players should go out to the null sec and do the pirate story arcs. Yeah because the meta 0 badly fitted ships with basic skill are really going to survive the first bubble camp. Lets put every new player off the game right at the start.

yeah and what about all the people who haven't got interceptors trained or new players starting out.

My point is new players cannot operate in that environment because their ships are sub-standard compared to the competition or they are locked out of the most useful tools. They will die. They will get angry and run out of money to replace their ships. They will quit.

On Piracy - even if it is not your intended medium or long term career, the player skills of a pirate overlap a lot with the player skills of someone running lowsec security missions. You will learn a lot more about dodging pirates if you know their tricks and are practiced with them, hence my suggestion to hunt down lowsec misison runners yourself. You may not win any fights (although you may), that is OK. (Or do it in highsec, but warp off after you get into warp scrambler range with a target lock)

On learning PVP - RVB will give you practice at medium gang PVP where both sides field cheap ships. Non-RVB PVP will be a bit different but RVB will be a reasonable start.

On the SOE ships - Remember, you can also buy these on the market if you really like them. If you are saving up a while for the ship, remember that losing it will HURT. And you will lose it :)

On me being shoot on sight - I wouldn't have it any other way.