Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Overall though, I love this idea. This sounds incredibly fun. This sounds like an amazing idea for retaining new players. Right now, most new players only encounter with PvP is meeting a gate camp/suicide ganker. This would give them a taste of real PvP and encourage them to join up with other players.

I must have this, it sounds like so much fun, its not pirating and it give carebears a chance to see if theyve got what it takes.
I would think the prizes would need to be adjusted, sounds like too much to me, but dont take that as a complaint.
I think it would need to be announced in the system 24hrs before it starts, and NPC fleet invite links be posted in local, you can apply to join the fleet and when the timer starts you're accepted into the fleet and you essentially war the opposing fleet, this was you can keep the fleet sizes even (by accepting/rejecting fleet invites). Maybe the Devs could head up the fleets as fleet commanders.
I think there should be an acceleration gate to the site, which only allows certain hull types to warp in (up to BC in high sec, increasing as you get to nullsec) each fleet gets the location to a gate, and you can only go through your fleets gate, once you warp out, you cant come back in.
NPCs should be capable of doing REAL damage and webbing and scramming, and should follow the opposing fleets broadcast/tags.
The defending capital ship should be able to do some real damage too, maybe a few concord (nerfed) ships to help out.
Also there can be different environments, one could be an all out brawl, one could be capturing the flag etc etc, you know what i mean.

This sounds like so much fun and could easily be the biggest thing in the game, if done right, i hope some devs look at this and implement this, just the way it is.

The reason that I didn't intend to have a massive announcement in advance of the event was because if there is time to scramble reinforcements from across the entire universe, these would be dominated by those entities with the most capacity to project force quickly (probably Pandemic Legion and Goonswarm outside highsec, and RvB in highsec).

Reinforcements from across the region, but not the universe, would drive more ad-hoc conflicts.

This sounds like a nice idea so +1 for the concept...I think it would need to be more transient as the ghost sites are but in a different way i.e. the defending fleet will be swamped by the NPC aggressors within a set time if no help comes, or gets to warp out if they are lucky. If the fleet is following a preset route then multiple distress calls could be raised as it goes. The defenders may not even need to kill all the enemy ships to succeed, simply kill the tacklers and keep the freighters/haulers/transports alive through defence, logistics or whatever until they warp out.

you could even provide escort all the way if you choose to join the fleet for the full trip.

+1 Like this idea (only just noticed it, too - don't know how I managed to miss it)

Some questions from a "curious carebear", though:

1. Is it your intent that players fleet up first, or can anyone just drive by and attack or defend it? (I realise that fleeting would be more ideal, from a coordination point of view, but if you have a flag, would you still need to be in fleet to get the rewards?)


2. There have been a few comments comparing to incursions (which I've never done), and a concern I have about that (which could just be my perception), is that players get in to the mindset of forming up "hours" in advance, and comparing fits to see who is more perfect for the job, or that they are perfectly doctrine-fitted. Then they die 30 seconds after landing on grid. What a waste of time.
As you mentioned in post #126, I would prefer this to be a more random, ad-hoc event. Personally, I think the more organised and finely-tuned a fleet is, the less fun you have - too many people are trying to remove the human factor from fights. We make mistakes - deal with it. (In fact, I imagine a lot of fights start with mistakes.)


3. What happens when all the NPC's die? Is the event over, or should the fight keep going until one side is destroyed or leaves? (i.e. everyone keeps their Attacker/Defender flags until they leave.)


4. If you're in a fleet, does the first person to attack or defend the NPC flag the entire fleet, or does everyone have to get flagged individually?


5. I'm curious as to why you think new flags (Attacker/Defender) are needed (as opposed to everyone going Suspect)? As a carebear, I like the idea of everyone having to choose a side, and reduces the chance of outsiders interfering, but it's not really the EVE way, is it, where anyone can ruin your day. They still have suicide ganking, of course.


6. Someone above mentioned fleets where everyone was blue to each other - if players aren't shooting, can I assume the NPCs dish out a fair amount of firepower to make sure that no-one is safe while holding hands?

"- To qualify for rewards, you need to remain on-grid, uncloaked, with active modules that do not affect your own ship and an 'Attacker' or 'Defender' flag for at least 5 minutes or 10% of the duration of the fight, whichever is longer. If you lose a ship while it has targetted modules (guns, RR, EWAR, ReSeBo, Remote ECCM etc) active, the 5 min/10% requirement is waived."

What would stop someone from just jumping in a cheap ship, getting blown up then flying off to await his portion of the rewards.

The difference here is that this idea isn't run on-demand, but at a random, unpredictable timeframe.

I don't believe there's going to be time to seriously game an event. Let's say RvB (the entity most able to project force in highsec) tried to game one in highsec, and got 70 pilots to turn up within 15 minutes.

Could they stop Goonswarm or TEST or Brave Newbies or an incursion network forming up 50 ships and arriving? Lets say that BNI decided to rock up. With the rewards structure I've proposed, it will probably make economic sense for BNI to go on the other side of the fight to RvB.

Sometimes RvB will just rock up with 70 pilots and win outright, but that will not always happen and I think this is somewhat less game-able than incursions currently are.

I like the concept of this in HS, not too sure about other regions quite how it will work, so i'll withhold judgement on that.
This is one where i think you would need concord otherwise "neutrals" will change it into a different event and act like putting chum or blood into the water.
I would suggest limiting it to the same class of ship, each site or event only allowing cruisers or frigates. Then it would allow new and old players alike to be on a more level footing,
I would also suggest that you are assigned red or blue fleet according to numbers on grid already, but a group of up to 4 for example could "register" as a group to stay together, but could be assigned as defender or attacker by the system.
There are a lot of ways for those of that inclination, to turn this into a simple gank trap, that would need to be considered or it will be avoided, and not achieve it's potential.
So tl;dr
+1 for excellent idea if it can be prevented from becoming a gank magnet. Because gankers just love to gank.

+1

+1000 Would buy