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Highsec PvP-ers needed for foreverwar against Goons

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#321 - 2014-01-15 14:03:33 UTC
Make a Goon mad today, fly an Archon!
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#322 - 2014-01-15 14:12:49 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
...The bit you seems to keep ignoring is that we are NULL SEC alliances...

If an alliance restricted its operations to nullsec, it probably would not own highsec POCOs.


Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#323 - 2014-01-15 14:21:34 UTC
There is not enough popcorn around right now for me to thoroughly enjoy this thread. Sad


Don't confuse kindness with weakness.

Beware the hand of Fybs.

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Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#324 - 2014-01-15 14:52:55 UTC
Danalee wrote:
I'm not ignoring anything, dear Lucas. I'm wondering what all these elite nullsec lords are doing in HISEC (capitalised for you there) flying badly fitted ratting/'pvp'/industry ships when NULLSEC is the place to be for them.


As with any other alliance, GSF, SMA, FCON etc have a couple of players who do dumb things. Like flying PvE/Industrial ships during wartime. Or blindjumping to beacons. Or ratting in carriers with hostiles next door. Or ratting with neutrals in local. Since they don't learn from being told: Thanks for showing them why it is a bad idea! When they lost a JF they learn to value the existence of out-of-alliance hauler alts.

So, please, go on and educate the newer/inexperienced players!
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#325 - 2014-01-15 15:02:24 UTC
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:

So, please, go on and educate the newer/inexperienced players!


Nice mantra, doesn't add up for JF/marauder/t3 pilots but seeing the source I'll take it at face value.
We'll continue to do that on top of blasting 99% of your playerbase back to where they belong Lol

D.

Bear

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Sipphakta en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#326 - 2014-01-15 15:04:44 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:

So, please, go on and educate the newer/inexperienced players!


Nice mantra, doesn't add up for JF/marauder/t3 pilots but seeing the source I'll take it at face value.
We'll continue to do that on top of blasting 99% of your playerbase back to where they belong Lol


Go get them, tiger!
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#327 - 2014-01-15 15:36:16 UTC
Danalee wrote:
We'll continue to do that on top of blasting 99% of your playerbase back to where they belong Lol



Probably less than 1% in reality, but whatever makes you feel better.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#328 - 2014-01-15 16:25:42 UTC
Danalee wrote:
I'm not ignoring anything, dear Lucas. I'm wondering what all these elite nullsec lords are doing in HISEC (capitalised for you there) flying badly fitted ratting/'pvp'/industry ships when NULLSEC is the place to be for them.
Because many nullsec organisations aren;t as elitist as other groups. Newer players are often welcome, including many who choose to do stupid things.

Danalee wrote:
thus for me this proves 99% of the playerbase in null doesn't know what they are doing while said playerbase is the most vocal when it comes to boasting about how great they are.
Firstly, you don't see 99% of the playerbase. So you are only seeing your own greatly exaggerated figures... Shocking.

And boasting? We may troll each other but I'd hardly say that any null group really boasts about being the best. In fact, quite the opposite usually. And this very thread is owned by yourselves and Gevlon, banging on about how amazing your handful of nubs are, and taking irrelevant and out of context numbers to mean something bigger than they do. And that includes your own moronic spout that null players can't handle the "complexity" of camping the Jita undock in a shitfit T1.

Danalee wrote:
Furthermore, you do what all your peers do when posting, you ignore the facts, you don't even bother to look at the numbers and repeat the same stupid one-liners ad nauseum. At least try and be civil by checking before posting, please?
No, we do not ignore facts, we simply look at more than a single number. Much like Gevlon does on a regular basis, you are taking a single point and acting like that is the entirety of the situation. If you want to selectively spew "facts", then stick your fingers in your ears and sing "la la la", that's your problem. I'll stick with the reaslism that what the lemmings are doing is absolutely no different from what Marmite already did, so the expectation that Goons are suddenly going to keel over because the same people with a different alliance name are killing them is absolutely ludicrous.

Danalee wrote:
The new alliance is very young and shows great potential to anyone that wants to see it.
They also couldn't be further away from Marmites, they don't do what we do but again, you don't want to see that because it doesn't fit your bias-bubble.
Lol, bull. Half of the group are Marmite and alts. The other half are a mix of clueless noobs and people like me who drop in an alt to see how amusing the internal propoganda is compare to the external.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#329 - 2014-01-15 16:26:23 UTC
Marmite & CO dead convinced the mass killing of the dumb & hapless in highsec causes long term strategic harm to nullsec alliances. Nullsec alliance members dead convinced otherwise. Yet another immovable object meets yet another unstoppable force. Life goes on.

It's like poetry :3

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#330 - 2014-01-15 16:32:15 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
...The bit you seems to keep ignoring is that we are NULL SEC alliances...

If an alliance restricted its operations to nullsec, it probably would not own highsec POCOs.
As was predicted, a couple of large groups took the majority of the high sec POCOs to make high seccers sad, and make a bit of isk. The amount of isk expected was greatly overestimated by most people.
And yes, we are null sec alliances. That doesn't mean nothing is done in high sec. miniluv operate in high sec, and many of us have alts in high sec. As a general rule though, you don't go flying around high sec like a spanner. Some people don't follow that rule, and for that they get blown up by war targets. The bit that is getting fabricated is the idea that those people exploding somehow affects us and that we are damaged by this. We are not. The individual that is blown up is, but **** them, that's their punishment for being a pleb.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#331 - 2014-01-15 16:37:46 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Marmite & CO dead convinced the mass killing of the dumb & hapless in highsec causes long term strategic harm to nullsec alliances. Nullsec alliance members dead convinced otherwise. Yet another immovable object meets yet another unstoppable force. Life goes on.

It's like poetry :3


I thrive on it Oops
Anyhow, you are right Mynna, as most discussions go on these forums (and others, I'm sure) it's a trainwreck under construction. I don't know if you have a word for it but we call it disaster tourism 'roughly translated) and this can be an enjoyable past-time.

Lucas Kell, nice post; all Marmites camp Jita 24/7 and 21Billion of your spacemonkeys are stupid noobs but you like noobs so it's ok. Got it Roll

D.

Bear

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#332 - 2014-01-15 16:39:34 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Marmite & CO dead convinced the mass killing of the dumb & hapless in highsec causes long term strategic harm to nullsec alliances. Nullsec alliance members dead convinced otherwise. Yet another immovable object meets yet another unstoppable force. Life goes on.

It's like poetry :3
And yet, it's clear to most which is accurate. If high sec wardecs destroyed null groups then null groups would no longer exist.
If they were serious about doing damage to null groups, they would work out a plausible strategy, plan their attacks and work towards a set goal. Instead they just open the doors of their holding corp no less, then invite literally anybody to come and sit around the forge shooting idiots that couldn't figure out why they shouldn't be in high sec. Once again, it's a failed Gevlon experiment, because he couldn't be bothered to put in the actual legwork.

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#333 - 2014-01-15 17:09:46 UTC
Danalee wrote:

I'm not very good at nullbear politics but can anyone clarify the relation between space monkeys and goons, please?
From what I can see, they are equally bad at hisec but are there any other links?


You can't become a Goon. You must come to the game as one, by being member of their forum, called Something Awful.

If you are not there, but want to be with the Goons, you can only join one of the Goon pets, like SMA. They are practically the slaves of Goons, their CEOs have no word in decision making and if they don't fly enough bombless bombers, they are kicked from CFC (the Goon version of BoB). Once The Mittani ordered half of the SMA membership to be kicked because they were "carebears". Of course Goons don't have to fly bombless bombers to stay Goons, they are Goons by birthright.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#334 - 2014-01-15 17:17:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Danalee wrote:

I'm not very good at nullbear politics but can anyone clarify the relation between space monkeys and goons, please?
From what I can see, they are equally bad at hisec but are there any other links?


You can't become a Goon. You must come to the game as one, by being member of their forum, called Something Awful.

If you are not there, but want to be with the Goons, you can only join one of the Goon pets, like SMA. They are practically the slaves of Goons, their CEOs have no word in decision making and if they don't fly enough bombless bombers, they are kicked from CFC (the Goon version of BoB). Once The Mittani ordered half of the SMA membership to be kicked because they were "carebears". Of course Goons don't have to fly bombless bombers to stay Goons, they are Goons by birthright.
You're getting better Gevlon. Almost 1% of that was fact.

EDIT: Oh, just in case you are confused, the 1% was the recruitment into goons, which is only half right. AFAIK, it's only the GoonWaffe corp that is restricted to SA forum members.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#335 - 2014-01-15 17:20:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Lucas, it's easier to shoot shuttles on an undock and pretend it's important, than, you know, actually understanding how nullsec works and making an impact here. You're not going to make them see what they're doing as irrelevant as their Weltanschauungs is immovable from the POV that it has to be.

The answer is to just point and laugh and carry on as before, much like when Marmite claimed they'd stop Burn Jita 2 in it's tracks, but sat docked, only to venture out in frigs and thrashers to whore on GCC kills here and there, whilst we went hog wild and made the previous event look pretty small in comparison.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#336 - 2014-01-15 17:28:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
It must be a party 24/7 in your head, lol.

Listen to me, my space is important, their space is irrelevant because I'm not in it (except when I run my missions in a stabbed faction boat), only when we come there to shoot at stuff their space becomes relevant and it's inhabitants are clueless on how to behave in their space... ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

Pressing F1 during a slideshow or assigning drones and going AFK to find out hours later who won is the epitome of awesome.
Actually hunting equal targets and using strategy is a laughable ploy by the carebears to give their form of enjoyment meaning...

This is cool! Can I join you guys now?

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#337 - 2014-01-15 17:35:27 UTC
Danalee wrote:
It must be a party 24/7 in your head, lol.

Listen to me, my space is important, their space is irrelevant, only when we come there to shoot at stuff their space becomes relevant and it's inhabitants are clueless on how to behave in their space... ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

Pressing F1 during a slideshow or assigning drones and going AFK to find out hours later who won is the epitome of awesome.
Actually hunting equal targets and using strategy is a laughable ploy by the carebears to give their form of enjoyment meaning...

This is cool! Can I join you guys now?
Are you serious? This is what you take away from this? You need to cut way back on the drugs my friend.
Our space is important to us, yes. Noones saying that it's globally relevant, and nobody is saying that our space is better than yours (though you have quite clearly stated that you think high sec is better than null).
What we are saying is that you killing random nubs in your space has no effect on us. It's really not a hard concept to grasp, so I can only assume you are purposely ignoring it to be difficult. The thing is it just makes you look a bit stupid. It's the equivalent of you purposely pretending not to understand how a fork works when you are out to dinner.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#338 - 2014-01-15 17:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Lucas Kell wrote:
Danalee wrote:
It must be a party 24/7 in your head, lol.

Listen to me, my space is important, their space is irrelevant, only when we come there to shoot at stuff their space becomes relevant and it's inhabitants are clueless on how to behave in their space... ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

Pressing F1 during a slideshow or assigning drones and going AFK to find out hours later who won is the epitome of awesome.
Actually hunting equal targets and using strategy is a laughable ploy by the carebears to give their form of enjoyment meaning...

This is cool! Can I join you guys now?
Are you serious? This is what you take away from this? You need to cut way back on the drugs my friend.
Our space is important to us, yes. Noones saying that it's globally relevant, and nobody is saying that our space is better than yours (though you have quite clearly stated that you think high sec is better than null).
What we are saying is that you killing random nubs in your space has no effect on us. It's really not a hard concept to grasp, so I can only assume you are purposely ignoring it to be difficult. The thing is it just makes you look a bit stupid. It's the equivalent of you purposely pretending not to understand how a fork works when you are out to dinner.


Reading comprehension is not your forté is it?

Lucas, it's easier to shoot shuttles (because that's what we do Roll) on an undock and pretend it's important, than, you know, actually understanding how nullsec works and making an impact here. You're not going to make them see what they're doing as irrelevant as their Weltanschauungs is immovable from the POV that it has to be.

Do I need to draw you a nice picture?

EDIT: I'm not saying we are having a big impact on your nullsec operations (or however you like to call it)
EDIT2: I love it how you all keep referring to thousands of your peers as random nubs, good for moral, I'm sure Lol
D.

Bear

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Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#339 - 2014-01-15 17:43:21 UTC
Unless you join goons, gain their trust, one day become a director, empty their assests, alliance wallet and on your way out awox the mittani, then you won't beat goons in highsec, you might demoralize the goons in highsec but you can't stop the swarm from existence.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

Von Brawn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#340 - 2014-01-15 20:41:23 UTC
Isk efficiency and kb stats- justifying bad players since 2003 Smile