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WARDEC Cost for a Single Character - How Much Would You Pay?
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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-01-15 09:31:02 UTC
Erufen Rito wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:
It'd be cheaper to gank.


Does 2 to 70 mil if ganking solo, 250 to 500 mil if ganking pimped mission runners and 500 to 700 mil if ganking freighters sound about right?

I'll take your answer as max ~700 mil.

Or take my answer as "it's cheaper to gank" Since you know, that is my answer.



And that is a problem in eve. Is much cheaper to gank than to wage war. Wardec costs must be halved.. at LEAST...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
#22 - 2014-01-15 11:15:27 UTC
Send me the 2 bil and I'll see what I can do Blink
Iudicium Vastus
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-01-15 11:20:03 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
While it's a neat idea to have a "Vendetta" style mechanic implemented, and something I would like to see, I don't think it would be without it's downside. Instituting such a thing would remove the safe haven aspect of npc corps and as such could drive away portions of the playerbase who rely on them.

Pricing might have an impact of how widespread the usage of such a mechanic is employed, but that's also a sticky subject... make it too high and the spacerich will be able to target the plebs that annoy them with impunity, make it too low and the cost becomes meaningless. Perhaps adding in the qualifier that you need to have a pre-existing killright on an individual before you can use this to extend it might help balance things...


Yeah, only thing I could imagine being viable is something based off an already held killright. Paying to turn the whole killright (30days) into a private limited engagement for a week or less.

[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
Captain Ravanor Eistiras
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-01-15 11:21:08 UTC
how much would i pay?
how much would i want my enemies to get butthurt?
how commited would i want the mercs to be?
how well funded would i want them to be without dipping into there own funds and so they make a proft?

theres many points to this i'd consider in the end i would pay around 2 billion isk and i'd smile as my enemies weep
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-01-15 11:47:34 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Anti-grief feature is that the wardec cost will be paid to the victim... wonder how many will use the feature then...

/c


Sounds like the old bounty system.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-01-15 11:49:58 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Anti-grief feature is that the wardec cost will be paid to the victim... wonder how many will use the feature then...

/c

I'm sure there's no way this would ever be abused.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
stationmonkey
Synthetic Arbitration
#27 - 2014-01-15 12:07:51 UTC
Awww did Spaceship Barbie touch you in a bad place?


Fly True, Strike Sure, and Keep Up!

Stationmonkey
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#28 - 2014-01-15 12:21:50 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:



And that is a problem in eve. Is much cheaper to gank than to wage war. Wardec costs must be halved.. at LEAST...


If 50m is too much for you, then you cannot afford to wage a war.

If you are Deccing someone large enough to cost more, then you DEFINATELY cant afford a war with them.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
#29 - 2014-01-15 12:40:58 UTC
Nothing.

Just because it should not possible.

If one does not want to fight one shouldn't be forced to.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#30 - 2014-01-15 12:43:47 UTC
Thebriwan wrote:


If one does not want to fight one shouldn't be forced to.



Oh dear.

*places a rose on this spot*

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-01-15 14:32:20 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:



And that is a problem in eve. Is much cheaper to gank than to wage war. Wardec costs must be halved.. at LEAST...


If 50m is too much for you, then you cannot afford to wage a war.

If you are Deccing someone large enough to cost more, then you DEFINATELY cant afford a war with them.



Just pay attention to wich corp you direct such bullshit.


The fact is.. its WRONG that gankign is so much easier and cheaper than war deccing!!!

And the cost is not 50 M. is up to 500 M!!!

So how many wars YOu have running? As far as I know only marmite have more than us.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Dave Stark
#32 - 2014-01-15 14:33:40 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:



And that is a problem in eve. Is much cheaper to gank than to wage war. Wardec costs must be halved.. at LEAST...


If 50m is too much for you, then you cannot afford to wage a war.

If you are Deccing someone large enough to cost more, then you DEFINATELY cant afford a war with them.



Just pay attention to wich corp you direct such bullshit.


The fact is.. its WRONG that gankign is so much easier and cheaper than war deccing!!!

And the cost is not 50 M. is up to 500 M!!!

So how many wars YOu have running? As far as I know only marmite have more than us.


cost isn't the issue with war decs, the issue is how trivial they are to avoid.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#33 - 2014-01-16 02:43:05 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Anti-grief feature is that the wardec cost will be paid to the victim... wonder how many will use the feature then...

/c


Excellent idea :)
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#34 - 2014-01-16 06:41:31 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:

Or take my answer as "it's cheaper to gank" Since you know, that is my answer.

Mara Pahrdi wrote:

Players will just create more alts to evade this.


Both your answers would be wrong if the cost was be 0.01 ISK.

I suggest actually answering the question if you bother typing a reply.


Last time I checked, people do not require your permission to post.

And I too, would just gank.

Hell, half the time, I cannot be bothered to waste 50m on a war-dec.

So yea.

Roll

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-01-16 09:19:36 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:



And that is a problem in eve. Is much cheaper to gank than to wage war. Wardec costs must be halved.. at LEAST...


If 50m is too much for you, then you cannot afford to wage a war.

If you are Deccing someone large enough to cost more, then you DEFINATELY cant afford a war with them.



Just pay attention to wich corp you direct such bullshit.


The fact is.. its WRONG that gankign is so much easier and cheaper than war deccing!!!

And the cost is not 50 M. is up to 500 M!!!

So how many wars YOu have running? As far as I know only marmite have more than us.


cost isn't the issue with war decs, the issue is how trivial they are to avoid.



at least if the cost was tricial we could comepnsate by deccing more.. At our level the cost starts to be an issue when we spend several billions per week on wars.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#36 - 2014-01-16 12:11:37 UTC
A single player is near-incapable of harming anyting more then ships, which can be prevented by staying docked. Single players are no threat to any infra (POS, POCO) that isn't blatantly neglected. Hence, I feel there is simply no need to WD and pursue a target through hisec. Thinking of the fun I could have not running after 'wardockers' or the ISK I could have made in PVE, I ask of OP the question: what motive is there to legalize agression between you and a specific individual character, as to allow you to shoot at them in the rare case they are not docked / cloaked / offline?
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#37 - 2014-01-20 05:27:55 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
A single player is near-incapable of harming anyting more then ships, which can be prevented by staying docked. Single players are no threat to any infra (POS, POCO) that isn't blatantly neglected. Hence, I feel there is simply no need to WD and pursue a target through hisec. Thinking of the fun I could have not running after 'wardockers' or the ISK I could have made in PVE, I ask of OP the question: what motive is there to legalize agression between you and a specific individual character, as to allow you to shoot at them in the rare case they are not docked / cloaked / offline?


Same reason people wardec 1-man corps, especially if said player flies shiny ships.

Also, since you can't wardec ppl in NPC corps due to the fact the corp is owned by an NPC, at least it gives some players the ability to try and chase targets hiding in those, one at a time though.

If the cost was, say 25 mil (half the cost of the cheapest wardec), one could easily dec all the mission runners in a hub and hope at least one undocks.

Also, a 1v1 wardec could seem less threatening.
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