EVE General Discussion

Odd... According to KB you never have.

Getting on a cat kill when they alpha a ship is not ganking.

Also, I love White Knights or silly people that believe they make a difference by whoring in on a concord kill. When you join a corp again I will be there first to wardec you you brave soul you.

Freaking NPC corp alts...

Note: Ther is such a thing in eve as alts. While my security status has recovered on my alt from his history, I felt that as I was going to be a white knight, it would probably be hard to gain trust if I had a KB full of ganks.

Actually, what we do is we ECM the ganker, causing their gank to fail. Most gankers though know this, so they simply don't engage. Several times, I've sat in with miners, and gankers have had to pass up multiple targets and move on, since a single ECM ship can block up to 5 gankers with ease.

So what you are saying is, I can pick any corp I want, and you will wardec it? That sounds like an awesome way for me to selectively wardec people. Best of luck actually finding me where it matters, since I mainly do WH and null exploration sites right now.

You can tank them, just not to the point where ganking them is unattractive. This is part of a miner's decision making process. Does he choose the cheap, extremely tankable ship? Or does he sacrifice survivability for yield, necessitating him to mine ATK to avoid dying? If he's happy to mine ATK, he might consider the risk for added gain and shoot for the retriever, if not, the procurer is the ship of choice.


That's OK.


Or just ignore it. Like I've already said, bumping requires you to be at the keyboard, actively trying to hit the target. It's a dull activity that quickly becomes boring when the target doesn't react and doesn't offer an opportunity to gank him.


Mining requires you to get in a mining barge, fly to a target and hit F1.


Ganking requires you to get in a noobship to prepull CONCORD and then wait out the 15 min GCC. During this time, a scout needs to find a target (doing this efficiently is a skill in itself), scan it and report his findings to the FC, all the while keeping an eye out for white knights and vultures that could potentially interrupt the gank. FC needs to consider whether his fleet has sufficient DPS to kill the target before getting CONCORDed. Once a target is selected, the fleet must undock at the same time, FC initiates warp to instawarp bookmark (that would've been set up at an earlier point) and then fleetwarp to scout, who would've positioned either on top of the target if it's AFK or 10,20, 50, etc km off to avoid spooking the target. During warp, fleet members need to overheat and ensure safeties are off (too may funny tales of failed ganks because someone F'ed this step up). Once on grid, target and lock. Typically, the target will be primaried and set as terrible standings to help identify the target in a field full of miners (again, ganks have failed because someone shot the wrong guy). If there's time, target and kill the pod. Once done, a celestial must be selected and warped to ASAP to avoid potential retaliation by nearby white knights. The time spent in warp is usually long enough to tick down the combat timer which prevents you from docking or leaving system. The gank fleet docks at a predesignated station by warping to an instadock to avoid vultures. The scout or a designated looter hoovers up the gank fleet's dropped modules along with the victim's. Salvagers can also be deployed when an exhumer has popped. The gank fleet cleans up after themselves by slipping into a noobship and once again, all undock together to pull the entire CONCORD fleet away from the belt. Once in pods, warp to celestials and back to the predesignated station's instadock to avoid vultures.

I can totally see why you think ganking's easier.

Just cloak up and he cant bump you. Problem solved.

Just going to pick a couple of points out of your wall.

Sure, if you grossly exaggerate what you have to do for ganking, then it's hard to do. We could exaggerate the complexity of mining too, but it's pointless. You can't say ganking is a difficult task, since it's a well known fact that it isn't. This has been proven and stated literally hundreds of times.

Oh thanks for telling me. I'll go tell all of the people that have in actual fact been bumped for hours on end that it's all just in their heads then? You say this like it's a solution. It's not this is just a statement to say that people have to be dedicated to annoying someone to bump them for hours. Unsurprisingly, there are many people that in fact do like to spend all of their time ruining other peoples ability to play.

Bumping is just stupid, and if it goes on for more than a few minutes, players should be able to flag the bumper. This would only work if the game somehow recognizes a ship collision. More than X collisions in a certain time frame allows a suspect flag. Once flagged, anyone around would be able to attack the bumper.

Alternately, If it continues for several minutes, the player should be able to call in Concord who will deliver a rebuke. The miner should have to pay a nominal fee to Concord for this service, and the bumper would receive no loss in standing.

This whole bump thing is dumb anyway, but I can ee how it would be impossible to put in true collision. Would be nice tho. A whole new strategy to employ!

+1 from me. It would be fun to trick the system into flagging an AFK miner. This would literally make AFK activites impossible, which is awesome.

But not AFK cloaking. AFK cloaking is awesome.


-1 from me. CONCORD is a retaliatory response, not your personal army.

Is this terrorbible bread still going?

Hasnt it covered everything yet?

Oh wait I thought of something


REUNITE THE BEATLES

Hudson you arent reading it right

Reincarnation is not possible

But REUNITING them together IN ONE PLACE is totally possible

I hadn't thought about it that way , you'd be pouring money into Apples pockets with a firkin bathtub though.