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T2 Destroyer Command ships

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Sigras
Conglomo
#41 - 2014-01-11 23:39:12 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This has been something I've wanted to do for a long time, but I think it's going to need to wait to be released with the next big iteration of warfare link mechanic changes as those will change the mechanic fairly drastically.

So don't expect it right away, but I would really like to see them someday.

What is the need for this Fozzie. We've just demonstrated that a T3 cruiser set up for speed is easily able to keep up with a Frigate/Destroyer fleet?
Though I guess that depends on the changes. Do we have a time line on the link changes and an idea what is going on? Given how long it takes to train perfect links, this should be advertised a long way ahead at least what the plans are.

How exactly did you prove that? A proteus set up for speed goes around 1,000 m/s slower than a regular enyo fit, plus much lower acceleration and much higher sig radius increases the chances of getting caught by something . . .

T3 ships are great and in some cases OP, but they are not the answer in this case.
Xavier Azabu
Half Empty
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#42 - 2014-01-13 17:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Xavier Azabu
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
My vote is for:

1 warfare link only
limited range of effect (they are escort ships, they should need to remain within a reasonable distance of their escorted companion)
Boosted tracking for anti-frig work or boosted light scout navigation for chasing down pesky frigs (the destroyer role after all)

buffed resists/ehp as befits a Tech II ship


I agree with you. T1 Destroyers generally have limited low slots and tanks as well. Maybe a resists bonus warfare link would be nice too. The trick is to not make the DPS/tank high enough to make them overtake cruisers while still making them effective against frigs. So you give the warfare link mod the option of speed, tracking, or tank mods. I still think that there should be a 4th mod that gives them some way to deal with interceptors. A disruption net, a decloaking field, a long point that only affects frigs... something.

So we basically need a new T2 destroyer class, able to fit mods that make them into either mini-command ships or superb interceptor hunters (escorts!). And the Algos, Dragoon, Talwar, and Corax hulls would be great... I never see Dragoons or Coraxes anywhere.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-01-13 17:36:59 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This has been something I've wanted to do for a long time, but I think it's going to need to wait to be released with the next big iteration of warfare link mechanic changes as those will change the mechanic fairly drastically.

So don't expect it right away, but I would really like to see them someday.



PLease.. for god'sa sake do not make my trianing of 2 Full capable command ship characters able to use t2 links become useless....

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Xavier Azabu
Half Empty
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#44 - 2014-01-13 18:04:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Xavier Azabu
Kagura Nikon wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This has been something I've wanted to do for a long time, but I think it's going to need to wait to be released with the next big iteration of warfare link mechanic changes as those will change the mechanic fairly drastically.

So don't expect it right away, but I would really like to see them someday.



PLease.. for god'sa sake do not make my trianing of 2 Full capable command ship characters able to use t2 links become useless....


I doubt that T2 destroyer escort/command ships would give the same benefit of flying links on the current command ships in a fleet, even if they change the system.

For one, a destroyer would be mincemeat in a battle with larger subcaps.
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
#45 - 2014-01-13 18:33:22 UTC
I think AEGIS Destros and/or cloaky hunter destros make more sense and would ultimately find more use than Link Destros.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-01-14 10:27:22 UTC
Xavier Azabu wrote:
[quote=Kagura Nikon]

I doubt that T2 destroyer escort/command ships would give the same benefit of flying links on the current command ships in a fleet, even if they change the system.

For one, a destroyer would be mincemeat in a battle with larger subcaps.


These wouldn't be intended for use against larger ships as such, they would be localized fleet support for frigate groups, or destroyer groups, or cruisers (but staying out of direct combat) at a push. To my mind they definitely shouldn't be as beneficial as the cruiser/BC command ships otherwise why would you choose to use a much more expensive hull when you could use escort dessies instead.

Also in game terms I would imagine that warfare links would take a lot of computing power and Mj to run, dessie hulls should not be able to provide the same level of service as larger vessels.

I think these ships should fulfill a similar role to RL heavy destroyers, they should screen the fleet against fast attack ships and provide valuable support in fleet action. They would also act as command and control for fleets of smaller/same size vessels. In Eve terms a fleet of destroyers with a command destroyer along should make a BS pilot very nervous if they don't play the situation correctly. Alone of course and its just a generally more powerful destroyer.
Igor Nappi
Doomheim
#47 - 2014-01-14 13:41:01 UTC
I have a better idea: Remove links from the game.

Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game.

Master Sergeant MacRobert
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#48 - 2014-01-14 14:09:35 UTC
Igor Nappi wrote:
I have a better idea: Remove links from the game.


Too late for that. Too many have invested time in said benefits and FC 5, Cybernetics 5, Warfare Links 5 and 14M or so in Leadership skills is a lot of investment, for example.


What they need to do is remove the ability to benefit from links without risking the ship providing them. I believe they're working on the banhammer for Off Grid Boosting.


As for Original Post. No. If you want links then you have to risk a high asset. Destroyers are part of the skirmish, fast strike, intercept part of fleets and don't deserve link boosts unless there is a substantial asset on field to provide it (Strat Cruiser / Command Ship).

Would like to see Tech 2 Tier 2 Destroyers though. With some kind of mechanism to allow them to escort weak ships with some kind of field of protection, blocking intercepting incoming damage.

"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-01-14 14:15:51 UTC
Master Sergeant MacRobert wrote:

Would like to see Tech 2 Tier 2 Destroyers though. With some kind of mechanism to allow them to escort weak ships with some kind of field of protection, blocking intercepting incoming damage.


This is my preferred idea for a tech II destroyer, maybe it can project an area affect tracking boost to those in fleet within a certain range (represents the superior targeting gear on the dessie providing better telemetry for attack vectors). Or it's simply a better destroyer therfore more capable at taking out fast attacking vessels.
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