EVE New Citizens Q&A

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Then insert yourself into your "friend's" corporation.

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I couldn't do that. He is actually nice enough to float me some isk if I let hime pvp from time to time Anyways, thanks for the link

Then you need to make a calculation as to whether you can get more ISK out of him now, or by waiting a while then robbing him blind.

Then put your plan into action.

lol yeah no doubt. If you really want to be a successful pirate, I would imagine the first thing one would do to gain true passage into piracy and the infamy as such would be to gank your friend in his most valuable mission running ship and when he least expects it. You may need some help! though, so find that pirate corp asap and prove to them, to the world, you have what it takes to be truly a pirate to be feared, even by your friends. Then sit at a gate camp for 18 hours... can't get much better than that :)

I suggest you inject the Propulsion Jamming skill prior to talking to Bot.

He is right though. Piracy and corp infiltration is very viable for new players, even completely solo. I would personally recommend piracy as it deals more with actual PVP mechanics then simply ganking unsuspecting corp mates, and might actually lead you to grander fights between rival gangs. You can always do the awox thing once you learn how to handle you ship when things are not going as planned.

Hi Op,

Piracy is a lot of fun and there are many ways to pirate. To be good though, requires very solid knowledge of the game and its mechanics. Especially crimewatch as Sabriz mentioned. It's been my experience with eve, that many players have no clue about the game regardless of their time spent playing, so it is very easy to use their ignorance against them. Which is what a lot of piracy amounts to, especially that available to a new player.

Awoxing and thieving are quickly accessible to the new player. Awoxing involves getting into then gaining the trust of a carebear corp and then going mission running with your new corpies. Many carebears are very proud of their blinged out mission boats and love the opportunity to show off to new players. To take advantage of this just play the starry eyed newb who wants to ‘test their tank’ or some such, but make sure you have the ship, fit and skill set to ruin their day. Thieving is much the same, gain trust, get corp roles, and steal everything you can. You can also gain trust of individuals and ‘help’ them move with a hauler/carrier/freighter, then not give their stuff back, though this is generally beyond the new player. Awoxing and thieving can also be done solo or in groups.

Suicide ganking usually requires more than one person or character to be profitable, as you need a second character to scoop the loot after the ganker has been flagged and concorded. Though as a newb you can get in with the new order and go ganking miners. The new order is a high sec extortion racket, you can read more here http://www.minerbumping.com/. It’s accessible to the new player but it probably won’t be profitable for someone at the bottom, only those at the top of the racket would see any isk. Though you would be supplied with the gank boats I believe, so if you just want tears then this is the way to go. I think Sabriz is one to talk to about the new order and miner ganking. Just make sure you clear your kill rights before you go missioning out of dodi in a Hyperion :p.

Sabriz also mentioned hunting explorers in low sec, which is a very good starting place for low sec piracy. A lot of sites are run in small ships with limited defensive capabilities. But, some are run in ships that will be well beyond your ability to catch, let alone kill. So you’ll need to learn the difference between sites and which ones are likely to be run by what etc. As I said earlier, you’ll need a lot of game knowledge to be any good. You’ll also need to know how to use local, etc to gather intel and figure out who’s who and who’s in what, though this is really easy when people don’t rename their ships. You’ll also need to learn to use d scan and probes. D scan doesn’t require skills to use but the probes do.

Hunting newer players in low running the data, relic and low end combat sites is a jump off into hunting more experienced carbears in pve battleships that venture into low for a mission out of high sec, or players running more advanced combat sites and escalations, which can be profitable if you can catch them. But this takes more sp and player knowledge and most target rich low sec systems have established pirate groups that hunt there. Most low sec pirate corps won’t take newbs either I’m sorry to say, for the simple reason that new players can’t really fly anything that can tank sentry guns well enough or put out enough dps to not be a liability, and they have to be taught, and a lot of older players don’t like playing teacher. Not saying you won’t get into one, but it will probably be difficult, and they may turn out to be bads anyway. But thats a whole other post.

Eve is very much a game of patience, if you’re after instant gratification you’ll get bored very quickly. I’ve spent hours online watching my old low sec system only to log off with no kills. And I’ve spent same to log off after getting kill mails that most players will never get. So, if you want the sweet kills, loot, and delicious tears, you have to put in a lot of effort to get them. And some days you’ll stuff up and cop it sweet yourself.

My advice for you would be to get in with the new order and go miner ganking for a bit. It takes very little player or character skill and will introduce you to the games crimewatch and fleet mechanics, playing with other players and blowing things up. The experience you get from miner ganking will also be a good starting point to move onto other forms of high sec piracy or into the -10 world of low sec piracy.

Hope that was helpful, good luck and good hunting.

First off, i wish you luck finding a pirate corp that will accept trial accounts, and second, if you are looking for "evil" charecters, wouldnt that lead to the possiblity of them messing with you too? Pirates are not usually a welcoming group to see, other players will almost certainly seek revenge. It's a very hazardous occupation, i warn you.

Heh, I remember that Hyperion loss. I wanted to see what the tiericide changes did to the hull and needed more sec status, so I figured 'ah, let's rat in L4s'. Forgot about the KR entirely, then derped when it was activated and didn't try to use gate timers.

In other words, I was stupid, I deserved to lose a ship, and there were people capable of not screwing up the opportunity to get me.

I actually mission rat in Dodixie quite a bit (for sec status) and I'm honestly surprised that hasn't happened more often.



As for the New Order - we always want new recruits, and we have a very, very generous ship replacement program funded by our sponsors. Catalysts and soon Vexors will be refunded and for Catalysts at least the SRP pays more than the fitted ship costs.

One point I'd make - don't go -10 until you have a plan to get back (in case you later want to).

One of my alts doesn't really have the combat SP to rat effectively, and they went down to -3.4 or so from a Christmas Day highsec podganking spree (pop a pod, then send the podee a "Merry Christmas" evemail, "As a present, here's a lesson in highsec safety"...). I could fix them up but it would be a lot of effort because they have issues with battleship rats, and the last time I looked the clone tags for -5.0 to 0 were very expensive.

You can avoid going -10 by not partaking in illegal attacks on player pods.

Good news, Sabriz! The tags to go from -10 to 0 are only 429m. And if you only want to go to -2 the total cost is 289m!