Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Everyone would quit
What a dumbass idea

We really need a downvote button

As this is a different request to the OP, please post your own thread with your own request rather than derailing the OP's. Mind you, you could just do a quick search of past requests similar and the same as yours and see how little support that one gets as well.

As an aside, you also might want to get some medical help for that OCD you're obviously suffering from.

what you want sir - is the implant that allows you to train skills 3 times as fast, that plugs into slot 10, and can only be plugged into characters under 30d, (and will degrade when that character reaches 30d)

Do you even know how long it takes to gather 600M+ for a new player? This would not help new players in absolutely no way whatsoever, instead it makes it all a lot more harder for them. Not just catching up on skill points, but also affording a real-money free gameplay via plexing their account(s).

Do you know how long it takes someone with a job to earn $20? Minutes.

Where do you think those PLEX for sale come from?


I do agree that it would lead to PLEX inflation which is a concern.

OP seems to be blind. He cannot see that the self-interests we defend here are not the ones he accuses us of defending. He cannot see that many of us "veterans" for whom he has such an irrational and intense dislike are actually defending the game we enjoy and not our wallets (certainly not my wallet, I don't make any money from any of this).

OP's initial and subsequent posts as well as his continued belittling of any and all detractors and dissenters shows that he lacks something very important that the skill-over-time system is designed to allow the development of: An understanding of EVE, its mechanics and how everything works. He is either ignoring or unaware of the importance that experience has, instead believing like so many others that having skillpoints, a T2 ship and expensive modules are all you need to win. While this may be (and oftentimes is) true in other games, it does not apply in EVE whatsoever.



OP is on a crusade against something he views as possibly evil and absolutely damaging to the game, all the while completely unwilling to accept that his own ideal may be what's actually dangerous, simply because the ones telling him as much are the very veterans he despises and holds bias against.

OP lacks a basic understanding of where the power in EVE actually comes from (no, OP, officer modules aren't as amazing as you seem to think they are) and wishes to overturn everything just to sate his own impatience and dare I say it, ignorance.

OP, like so many others who have come creeping around the F&I forums lately, has no understanding of what "pay to win" actually means; he and all the others sling it around at every opportunity like a catchphrase, club motto or a magic phrase that should dismiss any arguments against them and make their own points utterly irrefutable. Unfortunately for them, this is not the case.

OP, if you cannot understand why your idea is unequivocally terrible, you have not played EVE long enough to make such a suggestion in the first place. Instead, perhaps you can train your Logical Thought skill.

Buying skill points with plex will instantly decimate a large player base.

If people would be able to buy skill points with plexes, this would immediatly become an immensely popular use of it. Prices of plexes would immediatly sky rocket, and the amount of available plexes would immediatly drop significantly. What would this mean for the new player. This would mean that a 500M plex suddenly would become a 500B plex Since you litterly have players and alliances with multi trillions to spend. The'd become the so called "godfathers" hordeing all free available plexes. The new player, can't afford a plex with ingame currency anymore.

At the same point older players, especially those that play regularly on a monhtly basis, and don't subscribe to the game anymore but play it purely by earning enough isk monthly to buy plexes to afford there accounts, suddenly have no available plexes to buy, and thus either have to start paying real live money again, or quit. Because a number of these money makers provide with a substantional amount of the mining, building and tradeing, multiple aspects of the economy will die out as well. In the mean time, the new player still hasn't been able to buy a plex.

Because the manufacturers are now fewer, and the gathered resources are now fewer, items become more and more expensive. Tradeing will stagnate, wich will encourage more people to train and build there own stuff, wich in turn will stagnate tradeing even more.

At this time the "godfathers" will start lureing other people over to do their bidding, Their hoarded plexes, will instigate a "if you suicide gank this and that entity 10x, you'll be rewarded a plex" The newer player, who happens to belong to that entity will find himself beeing harrased more and more and will have a verry displeaseing experiance with eve. Eventually many will leave, and instead of telling others how much fun Eve can be, the'll tell people not to play that game.

Your total playerpool will shrink even further.

In the mean time, only real life rich people will benefit, the'll be able to buy plexes, and sell a few to get billions of isk, and use the other ones to speed up their training. Confident that the've maxed there skills, and bought the shiniest ship with the shiniest modules they head outside of a station, Where it will instantly get suicide ganked, cause its something shiny. Haveng spend hundreds of dollars / euros / insert currency those rich people will say "screw this game"

Eventually Eve will be dead, just because unlike a few million people who have played this game for over a decade, one single new player wanted to get some extra skill points

This is blatant pay-to-win and that would destroy the game. To address your "bling" factor, yes, officer mods do give you nice bonuses for billions of ISK you put at risk every time you fly your ship. In addition that ISK investment may transfer at least in part to your killer when they loot your wreck. To use Estamel's Adaptive Invulnerability Field as an example, you would be lucky to even FIND one for sale firstly, secondly people are OFFERING over 16 billion just to get one of them. Let's stick with good ol' Estamel and take a look at Estamel's Modified 425mm Railgun. Average price? 1.2 billion. Then consider most ships will fit at least 4, some as many as 8. So tell me, how exactly does the cost and associated risk of officer modules line up with buying skill points?

Early TL;DR: Buying skill points is a no risk pay-to-win option. Buying officer modules is a very high risk option with tens of or even hundreds of billions of ISK on the line.

When it comes to providing extra skill points to players there is only one system I think I would support. That being awarding players extra skill points for actually playing the game. If you are actively hunting down NPCs or other players you would be rewarded extra skill points directly proportional to the enemy killed. Much like a traditional EXP system. This would lessen the issue of people simple sitting in stations waiting for SP and encourage more active players. And as long as these skill point awards were scaled to the current skill points they wouldn't give older players an advantage. If you have 100 million SP you shouldn't get any SP for killing frigs. Or perhaps a better option would be to base it on the power of the ship being used. Ships get reduced SP for killing ships smaller than themselves (or of lower tech level), full SP for killing ships of equal size, and bonus SP for killing larger ships.

But even this idea would get no support. People like the current system. Let them like it. It isn't bad anyway. New players can do TONS. You can even do a lot in PvP. You just need to learn the ropes. Now the prior comment of a Rifter killing a Titan? Come on... Really? More like a Rifter orbits a Titan shooting it for eternity and a day, does so little damage the Ttian pilot doesn't even notice he is there until 3 days later, calls in a small ship and has the Rifter killed... But just because a frigate can't solo the biggest ships in the game doesn't mean a frigate like a Rifter is useless in PvP by any means. Frigates can really pis

Do realize there is such a thing as the Character Bazaari and it happens every day that people buy SP for cash because they bought the Plex with cash?

Please tell me who is flying T1 Battleships with only level 1 skills and with officer mods. Also tell me when they log on and where they fly them. Thanks.