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Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#21 - 2014-01-12 11:02:12 UTC
The design is just as awkward as the bonuses unfortunately.

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Cale Nolen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-01-12 11:04:54 UTC
Another prime example of "i don't like something so everyone doesn't"
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-01-12 11:07:33 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Zoom out enough and all ships are beautiful, in a nihilistic sort of way.


I hear that works with "moons", too.... "Wait... that's no... ! ! ! ! "

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-01-12 11:07:41 UTC
It's probably OK as a tournament ship.

The bonuses look ok until you realise it does not have the grid or slots to use more than one bonus at a time. Certianly does not have the grid for tachs. 2 to 3 Billion is a lot to pay for what it currently looks like being capable of.

Nevertheless I am sure it will sell well, cos it is new and shiney and this is EVE.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#25 - 2014-01-12 11:09:39 UTC
We call it the MESSTOR for a reason.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-01-12 12:43:28 UTC
Mag's wrote:
We call it the MESSTOR for a reason.



If you try and fit for all its many bonuses at once ofc it will be a mess.
Try fitting for just 1-2 of them and you can get some interesting and useful set ups out of it.
It is a good attempt at finding a new niche BS that isn't either a weaker version of something we already have or an OP version of something we already have.
I think you will be surprised at how many of these you will see. The sceptics i know that tried them on Sisi started making excited squeaking noises similar to those made by a Guinea Pig that thinks it will be fed soon.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-01-12 13:18:21 UTC
SegaPhoenix wrote:
Forget the looks, what about the function of the ship? Dem bonusesOops




Its a WH RR domi. Use it in pairs with an armor tank. The threat you generate from your RR and energy xfer will draw most of the sleeper aggro leaving your drones unmolested. Throw in more ships for an even better ball o' drone.

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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#28 - 2014-01-12 15:21:17 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why are you complaining about the looks of a ship nobody is going to fly ever?


Now now, don't go all negative Nelly on us. At least I will fly that boat albeit it being a one way flight from the place of purchase to the collection hangar station.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#29 - 2014-01-12 15:40:45 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
It takes an educated gentleman to appreciate the beauty of the Nestor.


That's me well and truly screwed then.

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#30 - 2014-01-12 17:44:49 UTC
You know, the same guy that designed the Nestor designed the Hel, the Abaddon, Niddhogur, Archon, Avatar, Myrmidon, Hyperion, the Pod, the Drake, Rokh and Hurricane.

Here's his gallery and website.

His name is Ásgeir Jón Ásgeirsson, and I really like his work- give the Nestor a chance- I hated it initially, but I really love it now, especially now that I can fly it on the test server- it's huge compared to most of the other battleships, and it has a great look to it.

Also, I doubt they'd change it anyhow, so quit yer' whinin' Pirate
SlickReed
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-01-12 18:38:52 UTC
Does anyone know how much it will cost?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#32 - 2014-01-12 18:41:49 UTC
silens vesica wrote:


Counter example:

Lear vs. Thunderbolt II

One is obviously more aesthetically-refined, but I know which one *I* find more attractive. Twisted



A-10 all the way. I like a woman with some meat on her bones...and who could bust a tank.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-01-12 18:46:38 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Arduemont wrote:
SegaPhoenix wrote:
Forget the looks, what about the function of the ship? Dem bonusesOops


Those of you who think it looks bad (it looks beautiful, much more like something real than all the other ships in Eve) just need to learn to appreciate it. Those of you who can't see how to use it with those bonuses, well, your going to miss out.

Me and a small gang will rule the skies with these things. I will take out great swathes of opposition, 2 vs 20 man battles and I will kill everything. Those bonuses are beautiful. Your not looking at the big picture. The short sightedness of everyone in here is incredible.

Have fun hitting anything with your sentries without optimal/tracking bonuses and without many omnis (you'll need cap mods and tackle).
The opposition could bring one Armageddon and you'll die in a fire.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-01-12 21:05:30 UTC
SlickReed wrote:
Does anyone know how much it will cost?



The major component of building them is the 600K LP for the BPC in highsec where the majority of SOE ships are built.

I currently average around 3 ISK per LP on other SOE ships and products meaning it will cost around 2 Billion to build one in high sec.

The sell price will eventually settle somewhere above 2 Billion but they may initially sell for twice that in the initial flurry to get one.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-01-12 21:13:38 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
SegaPhoenix wrote:
Forget the looks, what about the function of the ship? Dem bonusesOops


Those of you who think it looks bad (it looks beautiful, much more like something real than all the other ships in Eve) just need to learn to appreciate it. Those of you who can't see how to use it with those bonuses, well, your going to miss out.

Me and a small gang will rule the skies with these things. I will take out great swathes of opposition, 2 vs 20 man battles and I will kill everything. Those bonuses are beautiful. Your not looking at the big picture. The short sightedness of everyone in here is incredible.

Have fun hitting anything with your sentries without optimal/tracking bonuses and without many omnis (you'll need cap mods and tackle).
The opposition could bring one Armageddon and you'll die in a fire.



Yep fit for pulse and try for close range drones you need omnis in the mids to track and hence have to armor tank but lose DDAs and not enough grid. Try and fit beams for range and you run out of grid for tach but assuming you get a beam fit to work, you do not have the targeting range which again will require sebos which again steal mids from your omnis or DDAs from your lows.



My personal preference is a touch more targeting range and power grid ... but every one seems to have their own ideas on how to "fix" this ship.
Argus Greymoore
Something for Nothing
#36 - 2014-01-12 22:35:07 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
silens vesica wrote:


Counter example:

Lear vs. Thunderbolt II

One is obviously more aesthetically-refined, but I know which one *I* find more attractive. Twisted



A-10 all the way. I like a woman with some meat on her bones...and who could bust a tank.



I always thought the A-10 was a sweet looking plane. I could never figure our why folks think it's ugly. Then again, maybe I just like ugly.
Damsel in Distress
The Scope
#37 - 2014-01-13 01:53:57 UTC
I don't care about the looks - the ship needs a cov ops cloak - all problems (including the looks) solved.

CCP act as if a BS with a cov ops cloak would be OP, but given the sorry state BS are in atm, I wouldn't even fly a nestor or a black ops if they had a cov ops cloak...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#38 - 2014-01-13 06:32:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The worst part about the Nestor is finding a use for it that justifies the cost and it's status as instant truckload of green on a killboard.

It can't warp cloaked and cannot fit a covert cyno like its smaller cousins, and has no real special ability beyond having a lower mass for wormhole travel - which is a problem that wormholers have lived around for years now. I tried to wrap my mind around this one, but cannot. Projected price is going to be 700 million but maybe over a billion (factor in the LP "cost"). There's a lot of other ships that'll do the job for less and not be hunted down strictly "for the kill" either. It's going to need some other special capability to justify the price and the risk of undocking it.

Without that it's a "shiney ship" and LP sink.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-01-13 09:12:54 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Projected price is going to be 700 million but maybe over a billion (factor in the LP "cost").

That is an extremely optimistic value.

Going further with the Excel magic and looking at BUY orders for items unique to the SOE store, I get an estimated sale price (excluding material costs) at 1.5 B ISK.

It is probably fair to speculate that at least half of the pirate battleships currently on the market has been produced by BPCs found in DED complexes, and as the Nestor is not planned to have that option, its price will be much higher than the rest.



Of course, this also hints that the SOE ship BPCs likely will be included in a drop table somewhere. Perhaps Ghost Sites...

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Josef Djugashvilis
#40 - 2014-01-13 09:21:39 UTC
Etria Issen wrote:
Please, nothing can look uglier then Minmatar ships, at least!


I pretty much only fly Gallante ships (skill set) but Minmatar ships are some of the best looking in the game.

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