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Nix Gravity
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-01-12 23:34:50 UTC
Howdy, folks.

Sort of getting back into the game, got myself out to Gurista space, getting the hand of hubs and havens, so looking at ships that can crush those without breaking the bank (seems to make more sense to spend the money on ships to lose).

Currently flying a Nighthawk, but I am very much into the new model for the Sleipnir (I know many don't dig it, but the hurricane is filled with fond memories for me), and was wondering if anyone has a good, reasonably priced fit for one, but also to see if maybe I am barking up the wrong tree completely and it's the wrong ship for the task. Everyone just seems to be focused on sentry droning through the PvE stuff.

Anyway, any suggestions much appreciated.
Sid Crash
#2 - 2014-01-13 00:31:49 UTC
It's not very good at it:

- it lacks decent range to take on Guristas
- it doesn't do the right damage type, you can choose thermal but that's secondary type and you still lose applied dps
- it lacks the right resists forcing you to put more emphasis, slots etc on your tank
- has less sensor strength compared to the NH meaning you'll get jammed more often

Because you'll be fighting in falloff (even with 720 arties) and use the "wrong" damage type you'll apply less dps than your NH, from a practical pov it makes no sense to switch to the Sleip.
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-01-15 10:22:07 UTC
[Sleipnir, PVE]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Shield Boost Amplifier I
10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Auto Targeting System II
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Hobgoblin II x5

It can handle any level 4 mission you throw at it. gurista is probably the worst to send this ship against tank wise as it does best versus sansha / blood. You can do thermal 23 kinetic 9 with phased. Hits plenty hard enough. Costs 400 million ship and fit in jita atm. 600 dps, 5900 alpha. you can swap an adaptive for a kinetic hardner and boast 519 dps tank. Can it do it? Yes it can. Is it worth training to fly over a ship that can comparably handle what you are doing fine? That is up to you.

Something clever
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#4 - 2014-01-15 12:14:45 UTC
I use a Sleip every now and then, And I can honestly say the fit posted above is quite nearly the worst sleip fit I have ever seen.

The one I use gets over 900dps, moves at 1250m/s tanks over 2900dps with heat and 1900 without. There is no PVE mission it can't complete with ease, but you do have to fly it, not a warp in / shoot everything / warp out type of ship. You have to head into the spawns, and use a web on occasion.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#5 - 2014-01-15 12:25:55 UTC
want to do 900dps have a 500dps tank cap stable while doing 100% kinetic with only t2?

Eos.

was playing around with it in eft and that thing scares me. why arent more people flying that monster?

oh wait, shield ishtar.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
Sid Crash
#6 - 2014-01-15 13:12:02 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
I use a Sleip every now and then, And I can honestly say the fit posted above is quite nearly the worst sleip fit I have ever seen.

The one I use gets over 900dps, moves at 1250m/s tanks over 2900dps with heat and 1900 without. There is no PVE mission it can't complete with ease, but you do have to fly it, not a warp in / shoot everything / warp out type of ship. You have to head into the spawns, and use a web on occasion.


So you're saying two things:

"I rate a fit on how much extra tank it has above what's needed, because that's awesome"
"I enjoy wasting time MWDing to targets so I can then AC them, I never did the math on this (especially not against guristas)".
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#7 - 2014-01-15 14:30:47 UTC
Sid Crash wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
I use a Sleip every now and then, And I can honestly say the fit posted above is quite nearly the worst sleip fit I have ever seen.

The one I use gets over 900dps, moves at 1250m/s tanks over 2900dps with heat and 1900 without. There is no PVE mission it can't complete with ease, but you do have to fly it, not a warp in / shoot everything / warp out type of ship. You have to head into the spawns, and use a web on occasion.


So you're saying two things:

"I rate a fit on how much extra tank it has above what's needed, because that's awesome"
"I enjoy wasting time MWDing to targets so I can then AC them, I never did the math on this (especially not against guristas)".

Not exactly, I couldn't get a tank on a sleip down to less than 1000 unless I only used a booster and no invul.
And getting 39km of falloff is easy, so MWD to range and apply DPS.
This ship is an easy one to use and has the added benefit of being nigh on invincible to missions, while still holding its ground for whatever else shows up.

Is it the best for guristas? No probably not.
Is it capable? without a doubt.

My point was the fit shown with two CCC-II rigs is an embarrassment to fitting up a ship designed to be a quick nimble brawler.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Sid Crash
#8 - 2014-01-15 14:41:33 UTC
What it's designed to do and what makes sense can be two different things. In this case lvl 4 against Guristas you want arties, no AC.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#9 - 2014-01-16 03:22:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
As Sid Crash have said, you really need arties for a PvE Sleip. Here is what I have tested, its good for the job at hand.

[Sleipnir, L3/L4 Sleipnir]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Booster II
10MN Afterburner II

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II

Hobgoblin II x5

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/67957-L3-L4-Sleipnir.html#ixzz2qWnXGerK

Really though, you are going to do a better job with a Rail Astarte-Vulture-Eos or a Nighthawk against guristas.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-01-16 05:53:11 UTC
Shield 100mn Ishtar will out perform the slepnir for applied DPS and :effort: required. For more active and isk efficient play look to blasters.
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-18 01:34:21 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
I use a Sleip every now and then, And I can honestly say the fit posted above is quite nearly the worst sleip fit I have ever seen.

The one I use gets over 900dps, moves at 1250m/s tanks over 2900dps with heat and 1900 without. There is no PVE mission it can't complete with ease, but you do have to fly it, not a warp in / shoot everything / warp out type of ship. You have to head into the spawns, and use a web on occasion.


yes, because one shoting cruisers and bc's at 15-55km unable to be target disrupted, being able to dictate range and tank rooms, oh and one shotting frigs before they get under your guns is a bad thing? No you are right I would rather fly between 3 groups of npcs in every room with a mwd 80km apart then clear a room at acceleration gate moving faster...

Autocannons on a sliepnir are good for one npc type. Angels. Even then I can clear faster with 720's then hitting with half dps in fall off. Also if you don't believe me try the 720's i timed them versus 425's on a battleship. They kill their target regardless of npc type with in 2 - 5 seconds of each other.

Something clever
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#12 - 2014-01-18 02:03:37 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
I use a Sleip every now and then, And I can honestly say the fit posted above is quite nearly the worst sleip fit I have ever seen.

The one I use gets over 900dps, moves at 1250m/s tanks over 2900dps with heat and 1900 without. There is no PVE mission it can't complete with ease, but you do have to fly it, not a warp in / shoot everything / warp out type of ship. You have to head into the spawns, and use a web on occasion.


yes, because one shoting cruisers and bc's at 15-55km unable to be target disrupted, being able to dictate range and tank rooms, oh and one shotting frigs before they get under your guns is a bad thing? No you are right I would rather fly between 3 groups of npcs in every room with a mwd 80km apart then clear a room at acceleration gate moving faster...

Autocannons on a sliepnir are good for one npc type. Angels. Even then I can clear faster with 720's then hitting with half dps in fall off. Also if you don't believe me try the 720's i timed them versus 425's on a battleship. They kill their target regardless of npc type with in 2 - 5 seconds of each other.

How is it everyone gets so angry, without actually reading?
I will say it again to be real specific, No, don't use a Sleip against Gurista.
And never use the Sleip fit posted previously. Regardless of what your fighting against, it's a waste of well earned bonuses..

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.