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Tier 1 battlecruisers
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Kilobar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-24 02:16:22 UTC
With the release of the tier 3 battlecruisers the tier 1 are going to be pretty much useless with the exception of the cyclone. The cyclone will still be viable as a practice ship for pilots wanting to move up to a slepnier. Even thegaank of the brutix will be out dated in comparison to the tier 3. So my thought is a complete redesign of the tier one bcs as EWAR platforms. Their EWAR abilities should be racial specific. This might require a slight nerfing of the EWAR cruisers though. I welcome discussion on this but just the thought of an EWAR BC hull gets me all tingly inside.
Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#2 - 2011-11-24 02:29:56 UTC
recon ships are ewar, along with their weak t1 counterparts
Kilobar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-24 02:37:51 UTC
Right and the recon ships can stay as they are. The benefit to the ewar BC is the tank. The bonus to ewar could be weaker than that of the cruiser but the tank not as paper thin as the cruisers or recons. I believe this change would make them relevant again. Just imagine an ecm boat that doesn't melt under drones...
Goose99
#4 - 2011-11-24 02:39:24 UTC
Give tier 1 bc 16 small guns.Cool
Aesiron
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-11-24 07:22:04 UTC
Kilobar wrote:
With the release of the tier 3 battlecruisers the tier 1 are going to be pretty much useless with the exception of the cyclone. The cyclone will still be viable as a practice ship for pilots wanting to move up to a slepnier. Even thegaank of the brutix will be out dated in comparison to the tier 3. So my thought is a complete redesign of the tier one bcs as EWAR platforms. Their EWAR abilities should be racial specific. This might require a slight nerfing of the EWAR cruisers though. I welcome discussion on this but just the thought of an EWAR BC hull gets me all tingly inside.


Amarr:

T1 Battlecruiser - cheap tank with high resistances.
T2 Battlecruiser - powerful DPS and drone boat.
T3 Battlecruiser - very powerful DPS but not much tank.

I don't see how this makes any of them useless, I will still use a prophecy for pvp bait and I will still use a Harbinger for skirmishing.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-24 07:40:11 UTC
Aesiron wrote:
Kilobar wrote:
With the release of the tier 3 battlecruisers the tier 1 are going to be pretty much useless with the exception of the cyclone. The cyclone will still be viable as a practice ship for pilots wanting to move up to a slepnier. Even thegaank of the brutix will be out dated in comparison to the tier 3. So my thought is a complete redesign of the tier one bcs as EWAR platforms. Their EWAR abilities should be racial specific. This might require a slight nerfing of the EWAR cruisers though. I welcome discussion on this but just the thought of an EWAR BC hull gets me all tingly inside.


Amarr:

T1 Battlecruiser - cheap tank with high resistances.
T2 Battlecruiser - powerful DPS and drone boat.
T3 Battlecruiser - very powerful DPS but not much tank.

I don't see how this makes any of them useless, I will still use a prophecy for pvp bait and I will still use a Harbinger for skirmishing.



Yeah, but what about caldari?

Tier 1 - ferox....Don't really know anyone that uses it, unless it's a stepping stone, but typically still not used as there's really not a pve effective caldari hybrid bs

Tier 2 - Drake...this is where caldari tank comes in...Very popular pvp boat and pve boat for missile pilots

Tier 3 - Naga...From what I hear, it's a pretty damn good snip boat, however, it appears on the test server that they have taken away its ability to use torps, which i'm very sad about.


So, I would say with the already rarely used ferox, the naga will seem to make it even more useless, even though it has high resistances, simply because the drake already have high resistances as well.

I would say the ferox could use a new role, perhaps that of what caldari's t1 bs, the scorpion has. Make it a smaller jamming platform... Maybe that would be an effective use.

Perhaps as an all around role for t1 bc's across the board could be something along that line.. Or perhaps they can be better tanked cap warfare boats.
Kilobar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-24 08:08:53 UTC
Aesiron wrote:
Kilobar wrote:
With the release of the tier 3 battlecruisers the tier 1 are going to be pretty much useless with the exception of the cyclone. The cyclone will still be viable as a practice ship for pilots wanting to move up to a slepnier. Even thegaank of the brutix will be out dated in comparison to the tier 3. So my thought is a complete redesign of the tier one bcs as EWAR platforms. Their EWAR abilities should be racial specific. This might require a slight nerfing of the EWAR cruisers though. I welcome discussion on this but just the thought of an EWAR BC hull gets me all tingly inside.

Put
Amarr:

T1 Battlecruiser - cheap tank with high resistances.
T2 Battlecruiser - powerful DPS and drone boat.
T3 Battlecruiser - very powerful DPS but not much tank.

I don't see how this makes any of them useless, I will still use a prophecy for pvp bait and I will still use a Harbinger for skirmishing.

Put the prophecy tank with a neuting platform and what do you have?
Kilobar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-24 08:14:27 UTC
Another great idea I read in the ships forum would be to make them logi. The tech 1 logi cruisers suck ass so just turn those into noob mining ships and make the tier 1 BC a heavy tanked logi ship with the side benefit of some dps... say 300 dps with good skills
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-24 13:03:37 UTC
Here's a better idea - nerf tier 2 BCs to tier 1 level. There, tier 1s are now useful for stuff other than gimmick setups and the game gets a bit more variety than blobs of Drakes and Hurricanes.

Two improvements with one nerf.
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#10 - 2011-11-24 14:36:25 UTC
We dont need more - we just need all the current ships balanced...
I agree with nerfing the tier 2 BC's a little as they have made many battleships pretty much obsolete with their high dps on a solid hull usually able to be saved by logistics.

Pinky
Kilobar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-24 16:32:49 UTC
Tier 2 bcs are fine in my opinion. I don't consider any of the battleships to be in peril. I can't fly amarr but I know that none of the other three races battleships are being overshadowed by the tier 2 BC at least in the realm of pvp.
Goose99
#12 - 2011-11-24 16:42:27 UTC
Kilobar wrote:
Aesiron wrote:
Kilobar wrote:
With the release of the tier 3 battlecruisers the tier 1 are going to be pretty much useless with the exception of the cyclone. The cyclone will still be viable as a practice ship for pilots wanting to move up to a slepnier. Even thegaank of the brutix will be out dated in comparison to the tier 3. So my thought is a complete redesign of the tier one bcs as EWAR platforms. Their EWAR abilities should be racial specific. This might require a slight nerfing of the EWAR cruisers though. I welcome discussion on this but just the thought of an EWAR BC hull gets me all tingly inside.

Put
Amarr:

T1 Battlecruiser - cheap tank with high resistances.
T2 Battlecruiser - powerful DPS and drone boat.
T3 Battlecruiser - very powerful DPS but not much tank.

I don't see how this makes any of them useless, I will still use a prophecy for pvp bait and I will still use a Harbinger for skirmishing.

Put the prophecy tank with a neuting platform and what do you have?


Buffer?Lol
Kilobar wrote:

Put the myrmidon tank with a neuting platform and what do you have?

^Here, I fixed that for you.

Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Here's a better idea - nerf tier 2 BCs to tier 1 level. There, tier 1s are now useful for stuff other than gimmick setups and the game gets a bit more variety than blobs of Drakes and Hurricanes.

Two improvements with one nerf.

You have to nerf tier 3 BCs to tier 1 lvl too, then you have 3 improvements with one nerf.Cool
Kilobar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-11-24 16:46:49 UTC
Scorpion : for obvious reasons
Raven: torp buffer tank raven (on this character puts out almost 1300 dps with 120k ehp)
Rokh: good sniper and good brawler when blaster fit (I also use them to harvest gas on my Indy to on)

Typhoon: decent tank and highest dps tech 1 battleship with good skills, actually very versatile
Tempest: great nano fit or armor tanked and a good sniper
Maelstrom: epic alpha or monstrous tank

Dominix: very versatile
Megathron: my favorite tech 1 battleship, excellent tank and dps
Hyperion: beast tank, good pve boat and shield fit with gank is amazing