EVE General Discussion

Actually his numbers are not correct.

90 mil/hr is more the norm on anom ratting with a single account. Ship of choice right now is the ishtar.

Incursions are not run other than to remove them from the area simply because they act as beacons for roaming gangs.

Citing the link you provided as evidence of a widespread hi-sec mind set is like using your forum posts as evidence that most null-sec players have your mind set.

Both are just hilarious, my favourite crazy poster.

The emphasis was on your 'mind set'.

I apologize for not having made that point more explicit.

Would it pain you to learn that that is from our better anom systems?

no, it makes me smug for abandoning null sec and never looking back. i feel i made the right choice. awoxing high sec mining corps between monthly incursion weekends is far more entertaining.


and that's one of the reasons why null doesn't make more isk than high sec, because incursions simply aren't used/treated as an income source. the reason for that, being irrelevant.

Since you have no idea how nullsec or nullsec Incursions work, let me tell you the difference, and why nobody does them.

1. Mobility

-Incursions spawn in random constellation in nullsec, just like highsec. However, that spawn may be in your own space, in neutral space, or in enemy held territory. It is utterly implausible to run incursions in enemy space, and most alliances operate on NBSI, meaning you are not welcome there either, and they will aggressively hunt you down. If an incursion is not in your territory, you don't get to run it. Compared to highsec, you might have an incursion to run about 10-30 % of the time depending on your affiliation (lel provi)

-Lowsec and and Nullsec Incursions are camped by gate rats. Incursion gate rats lock fast and hit hard, this means travel must be done in groups. A incursion runner can not move alone to an incursion system. The fleet must be formed outside of the system, then moved in.

-Traveling 30 jumps to the next Incursion (if it's in friendly space) is a lot more difficult than doing the same in highsec. The alternative is using a Jump capable ship, but Jump freighters can not carry rigged battleships. This require the Incursioner to use a carrier, or have a carrier capable friend lug the battleship around for him. This adds roughly 2 billion to the cost of your incursion setup

2. Risk

-Anyone can attack you in null, including in the Incursion site. If anyone sees a high "NPC killed 24 hour" state in an incursion system, they will know people are attempting an incursion, and will flock the constellation looking for easy kills. A single celestis getting into a site and damping your logi can mean bad things. Never-mind a fleet of Gank Talos or something similarly nasty.

-The very threat of a gank fleet can make a incursion fleet dock up, if 10 neuts/reds are in local, you aren't running incursions.

-This mean it's not plausible to use bling ships, no machariels, no vindictors, no nightmares, and certainly not deadspace tanked. No dead-space tanks means you must bring more logi, further reducing DPS.

The net effect of all this is that to run nullsec incursions, you need to use cheaper ships, and more logistics, drastically reducing DPS. This more than offsets the pitiful 50% extra LP/isk bonus that Nullsec Incursions give. Not to mention the extra hassle of moving battleships in null, movi

to be fair i was content with quoting any random part because the whole post was terrible and i didn't want to quote all of it, that was just the bit that didn't get hit by the delete button.

appreciate the effort; but you've told me nothing i didn't already know.

TVP fleet if you're unaware who TVP are, they're a fleet that isn't particularly shiny, and they're clearing sites every 11 mins.

sorry it took me a while to dig out that screenshot, i genuinely had more important things to do.

I fly with them, 11 mins is not their standard fleet time for site to site. 15 is realistic for them and they are actually pretty damn shiny. They just accept non shiny, but the reality is 90% of the ships in fleet will normally be pirate with T2/Faction/Deadspace/Officer fittings on them. Not T1 BS's with Meta 4 guns. They might pull a site completion in 11 mins sometimes from entry to pay out, but then there is the travel, fleet refill, quick logi re-org. Which mean you are not ticking sites over at that speed most days.
TCRC wall where not a single person drops fleet and it's one of the shiny fleets where everyone listens, yea, ok, that can happen. Which will be why it got screenshotted as an exceptional day.