Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What are the consequences when gankers lose just some dirty cheap destroyers and kill ships who worth billion, getting loot who make them rich? Also the security status loss consequence was also removed by pirate lovers from CCP. That will come back and hit now in the head when the suicide ganking will begin to get epic proportion.

That gankers make tens of billions every day suicide ganking in destroyers, and that is a isk print machine at zero risk cost who need to be stopped.

What they lose, a 800k destroyer when kill a ship who worth 1000-2000 times more? Insurance for destroyers?!?!?!? You are a free time clown or what?

It's been asked time and again... why do you need to fly a ship worth that many billions (if you don't want to be a target)?

I think on the first page, someone linked this article:
http://themittani.com/features/alod-return-investment

You really need to read it, i know... logic.. it can kinda suck

Its the same thing for miners, running around in yield fit Rets, Macks, Hulks is a very bad idea.. If you want to be safe, tank out a procure and no one will bother... why? Because of isk loss ratio. It takes way to many catas to kill a well tank proc and its only worth a few million.

Use this same mechanic with your ship... want to fly a fraction BS or Marauder, great, don't fill the damn thing with officer fit and you won't be a target.

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We have argued back and forth for pages, the only thing you keep saying is
"wahh... i shouldn't be able to lose my expensive ship to dessies" without even considering the possibility that there is another solution besides CCP making the best single player game, just for carebears like you.

Bring in some corp mates (Do you even have any)
Bring in extra mods (ECM Burst and jammers or smartbombs) and drop a mobile depot so you can quickly change fitting.

Your problem is that just because you have been butt hurt you just want to stick your head in the sand and cry for someone else to fix you problem instead of trying to find a solution. We have all given you ideas and things you can do, but you still get hung up on the fact that you can be suicide ganked. Get over it., if you play with your head in the sand then you are gonna have a bad day every now and again.

You can either:
1) Play Smarter
2) Play the same way you have been, and lose more ships
3) Say screw missions and become a day trader (trader one PVP for another)
4) Uninstall eve

It doesn't matter what consequence they put on gankers (E.G. take away tags..) people will still do it... a certain point they will do just to spite people like you regardless of the repercussions .

Seriously, why are we still discussing this? Someone is butt hurt because they had their USS Compensator spectacularly taken away.

Solution: Stop flying expensive ships when the profits don't match the risks.

As much as I hate to say it, I think some of us are missing his point by not looking at the kiilboard. If these are indeed all suicide ganks, then these guys are not always doing it for the ISK. Rather, they seem to be doing it for the green killboard or simply for tears (not that there is anything wrong with that). For example, a T2 fit Cynabal is hardly a pimped mission ship. Some of the ships do scream "gank me!" in bright red letters, but others do not.

Edit - After looking at more killmailss, I take that back. I think the Tornado and Cynabal pilots must have tried to come back and attack them after losing expensive ships.

It is a little disconcerting to me that 11 destroyers can suicide gank a Machariel - I knew high sec was dangerous, but not that dangerous. I am not saying this should be changed - far from it. Just surprised at how cheaply someone can ruin your day. I say this as someone who used to run a lot of missions in Nakugard. I always felt relatively safe in my moderately pimped ships (faction damage mods, everything else T2). Now I realize that it was the low population density that worked for me (local was never more than 30-40 when I used to mission there).

All the more reason to move to 0.0, my dear OP. I prefer to live where I know who is trying to kill me (everyone not purple, green, or blue). My skin always crawls when I visit high sec (all those neuts in local!).

My analogy for this has always related back to my time in Afghanistan. I always felt safer on a convoy or patrol out in the desert or sparsely populated fields than I did in the market on bazaar day. Anyone could be lurking inside those crowds - you never knew if today was going to be the day for a suicide motorcycle or just another walk through the bazaar. High sec is the same way. Terrorists lurk in the crowds - in 0.0 they stand out like sore thumbs with their little grey, orange, or red icons in local.

PS - please stop linking that damn Mittani.com article. People might read it! Then they might stop buying my loot drops to put on their high sec Level 4 mission ships!

Those are actually specifically for profit, not from the gank itself, but as an incentive to get people to pay the "license fee".

First of all making security tags much more scarce, so making them much more expensive will be a very, very good start.

Second, concord time response is obvious to long when you deal with big destroyers fleets, so one balanced solution can be that concord to arrive faster when attackers numbers are bigger.

Is a good start to stop the massacre in a way who not break the game mechanics?

were is the proof for your baseless statement?
No, it's not adequate at all, and here is the proof:

https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98185728/kills/

and this, 2000 billions of damage made with destroyers in high sec:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=FauztX


Is so huge unbalanced to be able to do more damage in high sec with a destroyer in few weeks than super-capitals pilots do in years of combat in 0.0...

Next killmail is from a very experienced pilot who pvp most of the time and FC in low sec and 0.0 in many fleets, participated in EVE Tournament as FC for Obsidian Front team, so have much more combat experience than many of EFT warriors who come and post here a lot of nonsense about tanking big fleets of destroyers in PVE ships.
He lost yesterday his machariel to same gang of destroyers:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21505287

He is not knowing how to fit a ship, to use a d-scan or survive attacks? No, is just no way as a pilot to prevent what become a big plaque of high sec area.

Not that I agree too much with the OP, but ganking should have a consequence imo. If the consequence is completely non existent, something is wrong.

Imho, you shouldn't be able to:

- gank a player
- loot his stuff
- sell the stuff
- buy sec-status back
- still having profit

That's no consequence at all imho. That's pretty laughable to the point that average mission-runners have 10 times more consequences than gankers do. After all, they do get consequences for shooting stuff in missions (standing-loss), while gankers have a get out of jail card, which is paid by the victim..

Or do you seriously feel that buying sec-tags and moving them to a proper concord-station is an appropriate consequence? 5 minutes of flight-time in a cov-ops to make up for all the consequence? Really?


I don't think so.

Same is true for ganking frighters. Just that the issue is not the ganking, it's the out of jail card gankers can obtain.