Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The Mittani did a little interesting article that applys to this as part of one of their ALOD's. I can see where you are coming from with the sec status mechanics, but its given a lot more than it's taken in the eve community.

And as people have already said, again and again, a lot of fits can be done with just T2 fittings, at the same efficiently but only a faction of the price. 90% of ganks happen because there is PROFIT in it, with the other 10% just because .



Side note: CCP please fix the forms eating my posts before I can post them

Whereas before, the gankers would have needed to go to low or nullsec and fly loops around a few systems for an hour or two a week to keep their sec status up, thereby actually EARNING money while improving sec status, rather than spending it...

True, but that is not a realistic solution for all people. Also high security is supposedly called that way because is meant to be home for people who don't want to be shot at any moment without real consequences like in 0.0 ...

Two pages before we actually get the crux of your issue, your confused.

High sec, in no way is for "people who don't want to be shot at any moment without real consequences"

In fact, if you look on the eve wiki, here is what you will find with respect to "hi-sec" and concord:

"High security space (also referred to as Highsec and High-Sec) is systems with a security rating of 1.0 down to 0.5. These systems are policed by CONCORD which awards some safety from pirates. While CONCORD does not prevent acts of piracy in high security space, they will quickly respond to such acts and punish the perpetrator. In many cases the response time is fast enough to save the victim from destruction. They will also punish the act by adjusting the security rating according to how high the security in the system is, the higher the system, the higher the penalty."

Policed is the key takeaway for you.. Police investigate crimes and rarely if ever, prevent them.

No where does is say, hi-sec is care-bear safe and for people who want to live and play a single player game or act like they are on a blue server. You are now making up definitions for sec status and using that as the justification for what you are crying about.

EVE is a PVP game, and that conflict can and will manifest itself in many ways. From markets and resources to lasers and missiles, if you are playing this game make no mistake about it, you are playing a PVP game on a PVP server. There maybe places that you can live /be in eve that are "safer" (like in dock) but you are never safe. Understand and accept that, or uninstall eve and go find something that has blue servers.


This "broken" mechanic is working as intended, find a PVP solution to your problem. Stop running missions solo (FFS) and bring along a few corp mates in frigs /etc to help run interference. (ECM Burst and Smart bombs if you are feeling lucky)... there really are a long list of solutions to this problem, all of them don't require you acting like a 4 year old and running to mom and dad to make life easier for you.

Suck it up, dust off your no-no place, find your courage and go out and have fun and don't forget that at the end of the day, it's just a game.

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Yes. That's what the guys from the goon ministry of love did, one BS rat per system, in a loop. They changed the way the system works now, but it's still really not hard to grind sec status back up. Certainly doesn't take weeks, but then, it never did.

And anyway, you don't actually need to worry about your sec status at all if you know what you're doing. That guy you linked certainly seems to be a part of an organised ganking group, they'll be perfectly able to do it without bothering about sec status.

Sorry but you have yet to show that there has been any sort of mass proliferation of suicie ganking since tags for sec was introduced.

Bottom line is that suicide ganking has been rampant for YEARS. Nothing new here.

And did anyone look closely at that KB? Some of those pretty pimp ships were being flown by pilots under an ACTIVE WARDEC.

Darwin's law is still true.

while ganking is an accepted part of the game, has been , and always will be....

there is a very good question being brought up in this .........

At what point does it cross the line from being an acceptable part of the game and economy to being a disruption upon the game and costing the company active subscriptions??

while only cccp can see the actual numbers, this is a valid point and should be closely watched..

the ganker community needs to be fully aware of the cost of their actions on the game overall and be ready to accept the end result.

No it doesn't. Just get a guy (usually a neutral alt) to warp over to a safespot close to station/stargate and leave gank ships there. Then the gankers warp the same safespot in their pods (CONCORD and Faction Police won't show up for or engage pods) and wait until their neutral scout finds a good target. Then they hop into the ships, warp, and execute.

The "real risk" in suicide ganking comes from ...
- damage not being applied properly and the target surviving.
- someone else grabbing the loot before the scout can (in which case the whole thing is a loss).


As an outlaw with close to -10 security status I can safely confirm that it is possible to warp around high-sec in a cruiser or nano-battlecruiser.


You're looking at things too much from a "carebear" perspective. Gankers, pirates, and outlaws generally DO NOT CARE about security status... in fact, it's a point of pride for us to be -5.0 or lower.
So how do we do our shopping? Simple... we have neutral alts do our shopping for us. This allows our mains characters to gank away without a problem.

I believe this is correct, High sec is for people who dont want to get shot at without their attacker suffering some sort of consequences.

Those consequences are the loss of their ship and any insurance that ship had.

Now I understand that you think those consequences arent enough, but you have yet to make a suggestion to change them. BTW as a non-ganker, I think those consequences are enough. Nobody should ever be 100% safe in New Eden unless docked or logged off, and TBH i believe docking shouldnt even be safe in 0.0 which is why I would like stations in 0.0 to be destructible.