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Nighthawk Ruined

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Sid Crash
#21 - 2014-01-09 07:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Sid Crash
Liang Nuren wrote:
Gigan Amilupar wrote:
The command ship rebalance was quite a while ago, and they also gave half of the command ships new models (something a lot of people liked).


Something a lot of people didn't like.

-Liang


- Ferox hull is iconic and I still don't like the drake hull, it looks silly.
- Prophecy hull is probably one of the best designs in the game, it's awesome. Harb looks like a bag of dicks (I do like the T2 paint scheme on it though)
- Cyclone is old school and has a real Minnie feel to it, Cane is also really nice but the T2 cane is boring
- Brutix is another amazing ship design, not saying the Myrm is bad but it's too slick/sleek imo


For me 2 out of 4 are bad changes, one makes sense but I'm not a fan of it and one is... acceptable but lacks effort. Not trying to sound or be elitist but it might have to do with having played from before tier 2 BC existed, at least partially, although that of course doesn't change the fact that the Harb doesn't at all look like an Amarr ship, same for the Drake.
Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#22 - 2014-01-09 08:44:59 UTC
I used to run the abso all the time, now that it's aesthetically challenged I skilled drones and use the Eos. It's just impossible to use the Abso anymore. Also they changed the best looking command ship to some ******* hurricane.
Oraac Ensor
#23 - 2014-01-10 13:37:33 UTC
Commander Shale wrote:
Maybe I'm a little late to the party in asking this but... What the heck brought on these awful changes?

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Ace Echo
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#24 - 2014-01-10 16:46:16 UTC
I think that the other races drew the short straw with the command ship re-hulling. However, I've been slowly training for an Eos and I like how the drone-carrier command ship finally got re-hulled to the t1 drone carrier. Finally makes sense and looks really slick.

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Shayla Aki
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2014-01-10 18:21:39 UTC
I, too, was soul crushed when I saw my Abso turned into the harbinger hull, and the sleip as a cane. I mean, yeah, I get it, give the ships different models, but then change it like kestrel -> manticore, where the model is modified but it's still that.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#26 - 2014-01-10 18:30:08 UTC
I think you whiners should just be happy that both command ship variants are viable in the combat role and booster role now.

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Spessart Rebellen
#27 - 2014-01-10 18:45:43 UTC
I never undock with Nighthawk and Sleipnir anymore. Why the hell can't be an election where all actual eve players have to say yes or no? How many players has started this petition? How many players has seen this really before it happens?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2014-01-10 19:18:50 UTC
From a utilitarian point of view the Nighthawk is unambiguously better.

From an aesthetic point of view... *shrug* De gustibus non est disputandum.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-01-10 19:49:36 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Try the Claymore. It's better than the Nighthawk in almost every way.

As for the visual change...nighthawk is a T2 drake, not a T2 ferox. Why shouldn't it look the part?

As for the lost launcher...look at the ship bonuses. You should do at least as much damage as you were doing before, if you're using scourge ammo.


The Nighthawk was a T2 Ferox before they turned it into a Drake...
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#30 - 2014-01-10 20:56:24 UTC
IIshira wrote:


The Nighthawk was a T2 Ferox before they turned it into a Drake...

Ferox uses guns, drake uses missiles.

Nighthawk uses missiles.

Ergo, Nighthawk is a T2 Drake. QED.

Also, why do people have a problem with the Drake model? It has a certain sleekness that the Ferox lacks...
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
#31 - 2014-01-10 22:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Cordo Draken
The rebalance was warranted, but the Model change was like getting blindsided by a semi-truck. Deake is a piece of bent sheet metal scrap... Looks terrible and I don't care that it now fits in line as a T2 Drake... When I look at it, it just doesn't own the name "Nighthawk". They seriously needed to remodel it like they did the Scorpion and make it look fierce like it should be. The Eagle has the same problem... Ship name just doesn't fit the crappy ship model. X

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The Renner
Canadian Operations
#32 - 2014-01-11 00:37:42 UTC
Yeah not a fan of the changes either, the Prophecy hull is one of the best looking and most iconic in the game. At least CCP didn't give the Damnation the Harbinger treatment....yet.

Although I do kinda miss the old Khanid paint scheme.
Maxor Swift
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-01-11 01:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Maxor Swift
i Have to agree with the OP the drake skin is maybe the worse looking ship in the game.

But then apart from some of the Amarr ships(oracle) all the design work in EvE is very poor IMHO, it has zero SiFi styling and many of the ships look like that where made out of lego bricks,and whats with all the asymmetry and ships facing the wrong way around (ferox) .Maybe CCP 40 seconds does the design work too lol.

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Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#34 - 2014-01-11 01:49:08 UTC
The Renner wrote:
Yeah not a fan of the changes either, the Prophecy hull is one of the best looking and most iconic in the game. At least CCP didn't give the Damnation the Harbinger treatment....yet.

Although I do kinda miss the old Khanid paint scheme.

Damnation (most likely) won't be getting the Harbinger treatment. In case you hadn't noticed, there is now a single Command ship for each T1 combat BC hull. I don't see them doing this, then flipping it so it's all skewed up again.

There is a method to their madness, even if people don't like it.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-01-11 09:40:58 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
IIshira wrote:


The Nighthawk was a T2 Ferox before they turned it into a Drake...

Ferox uses guns, drake uses missiles.

Nighthawk uses missiles.

Ergo, Nighthawk is a T2 Drake. QED.

Also, why do people have a problem with the Drake model? It has a certain sleekness that the Ferox lacks...


Merlin uses guns, Harpy uses guns, Hawk uses missiles and use the same model. I didn't see CCP make the hawk into a Kestrel with the AF rebalance. This is no different than the Ferox uses guns, Vulture uses guns and the Nighthawk uses missiles.

The Drake looks plain. This is fine for the Drake but not an awesome ship like the Nighthawk. All CCP did was take the same model and add some red color...
Enya Dorne
#36 - 2014-01-11 09:49:00 UTC
IIshira wrote:

Merlin uses guns, Harpy uses guns, Hawk uses missiles and use the same model. I didn't see CCP make the hawk into a Kestrel with the AF rebalance. This is no different than the Ferox uses guns, Vulture uses guns and the Nighthawk uses missiles.


It would make sense if they did that, but you would get the old skin for the manticore as that was in Lai Dai colours..
Sid Crash
#37 - 2014-01-11 10:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sid Crash
In short, there is no logic based on weapon systems, so people using that as an argument for why CCP decided to do what it did make no sense. Seemingly they went for "switch the old combat CS to tier 2 hull" but then they got to the Eos and decided differently. For the Eos it makes sense (but I still don't like it).

The problem isn't so much the change as such, it's the fact that some of the tier 2 BC look silly imo, most notably the Harbinger and Drake.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-01-11 10:23:33 UTC
Enya Dorne wrote:
IIshira wrote:

Merlin uses guns, Harpy uses guns, Hawk uses missiles and use the same model. I didn't see CCP make the hawk into a Kestrel with the AF rebalance. This is no different than the Ferox uses guns, Vulture uses guns and the Nighthawk uses missiles.


It would make sense if they did that, but you would get the old skin for the manticore as that was in Lai Dai colours..


Just as they made the Manticore look different from the T1 Kestrel perhaps that's what they should do to the Nighthawk.

I'm not saying it can't be based off the Drake. If CCP wanted to change the hull from something that already looked nice they should've put a bit more effort than splash red on a T1 Drake model...
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#39 - 2014-01-13 00:49:37 UTC
It is sad but in many ways caldari are no longer the best at missile usage.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Kat Bandeis
Trinity Industries Corp.
#40 - 2014-01-13 03:33:49 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:
Try the Claymore. It's better than the Nighthawk in almost every way.

As for the visual change...nighthawk is a T2 drake, not a T2 ferox. Why shouldn't it look the part?

As for the lost launcher...look at the ship bonuses. You should do at least as much damage as you were doing before, if you're using scourge ammo.

why? cause nighthawk was one of the best looking ship in this game , nighthawk was outdated and weak before the launcher/bonus change , it only did a very slight change ---> nighthawk still crap


I breathed a serious sigh of relief that they didn't touch the Vulture. Smile