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Bumping responce.. where is the responce on suicide ganking?
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-01-01 16:49:25 UTC
Seranova Farreach wrote:
as title says.. we have had official response on repeated bumping, what about repeated suicide ganking?

is there a minimum time limit on how often or how many jumps one must go to have made sufficient effort?
and does it have to be the same person? or members of the same corporation whom are operating on the same extortion racket?


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While it will involve inconvenience, we will have to see that one actively tried evasion before we consider someone being followed around and harassed. Merely changing belts in the same system or moving a few thousand meters to another asteroid would not qualify in this regard. Ideally you would move to other systems and more than just one or two jumps to avoid being found again quickly, requiring some effort to locate you again (i.e. through locator agents).
Angelic Overlord
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-01-01 17:36:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelic Overlord
My experience with ganking is to not behave like prey. If mining have a proper tank, yes I know you want to have ore mining upgrades but a proper tank might convince the ganker to go to the next barge that has a lesser or no tank. align to your station or stargate. Don't afk. Don't go to the exact same spot in the same belt every time(pattern of an afk miner) D-scan a lot or have local set up so you can see every ship in system. If some one is tagged as a criminal you might want to leave until the bad pirate goes away. Never fly a ship you cannot afford to lose. NEVER cry in the Crime & Punishment thread if you do get ganked. If you are transporting valuble things have an escort. If you go to lo-sec expect to lose your ships occasionally. and lastly, this is a game.. if you lost your ship it is because someone outplayed you. Learn the game, and outplay them next time. This is a sandbox all playstyles are valid.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-01-07 20:33:08 UTC
Seranova Farreach wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Working as intended

Edit: Ganking is one of the many ways we filter out those not fit for New Eden.



attitudes like that filter out far too many paying people from the system of which ccp gets their cash.
in my time iv heard of complete game quits and near quits because of such activities.

remember.. be nice to newbies.. cause in the end it means more targets for every one..somewhat/mostly on the newbies terms which will raise their enjoyment of the game and make them spend more on eve which the money could/can go back into improving eve for us all

Most gankers are nice to newbies. We introduce them to a playstyle that is unique to eve and can't be found in other games. If we don't get raged at most of us are willing to help victims ensure that they will not be caught again. I would be doing more of a disservice to new players if I told them that high sec is a safe place where people can't harm them, and that they need 20 million sp to start playing the game.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#24 - 2014-01-08 06:31:55 UTC
I have never seen anyone repeatedly suicide gank a newbie.

If you can link me a killboard where someone has ganked 6+ Ventures belonging to the same player, then I'll take your comments seriously.

That's the only mining ship a newbie can fly, as even the humble Mining Barges take significantly more training time to sit in than battleships do. We in the New Order certainly don't bother shooting up Ventures often.

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Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-01-08 09:25:46 UTC
Seranova Farreach wrote:
as title says.. we have had official response on repeated bumping, what about repeated suicide ganking?
CCP care to comment?
it is typically the same as bumping because both can be disruptive to game play but suicideing can cost a loss of isk and for newer players; a RAGEQUIT.. permanently.

and can you clarify what defines
GM Karidor wrote:
made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment[/b][/u]

is there a minimum time limit on how often or how many jumps one must go to have made sufficient effort?
and does it have to be the same person? or members of the same corporation whom are operating on the same extortion racket?



Things like suicide ganking and the risk of "real" loss is what makes this game stand out. If a few new players quit because of it, this game is not for them. Changing the game to make it "nicer" or "easier" will make it lose its appeal. Im sure some people here remember SWG's faith with CU and NGE.

That being said; nothing wrong with getting ccp to answer what the policy is, even if the answer is we can all do what we want, and suicide ganking is in no way harassment.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-01-08 17:54:20 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I have never seen anyone repeatedly suicide gank a newbie.

If you can link me a killboard where someone has ganked 6+ Ventures belonging to the same player, then I'll take your comments seriously.

That's the only mining ship a newbie can fly, as even the humble Mining Barges take significantly more training time to sit in than battleships do. We in the New Order certainly don't bother shooting up Ventures often.

Thats true, but you can still be in a mining barge around a week after starting. The more important thing than character age is that we don't repeatedly gank the same people unless they keep mining in the same area as they were previously ganked in. We don't single out targets unless they are particularly outspoken, or keep doing stupid things like going afk and not tanking their ship.

Stupid - "The act of doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results"

If you get ganked, change tactics. Its as simple as that.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#27 - 2014-01-08 19:02:30 UTC
In a game where vendettas and bounty hunting are part of advertised gameplay, the bar for valid gameplay to cross over to 'harassment' is necessarily very high. Nothing is harassment until its defined as harassment. If you have to ask if something is harassment, the answer is no until you complain that its happened to you, at which point it might become a yes, subject to a case-by-case review.

Seranova Farreach wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Working as intended

Edit: Ganking is one of the many ways we filter out those not fit for New Eden.



attitudes like that filter out far too many paying people from the system of which ccp gets their cash.
in my time iv heard of complete game quits and near quits because of such activities.


This is anecdote and conjecture.

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Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2014-01-08 19:30:43 UTC
Seranova Farreach wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Working as intended

Edit: Ganking is one of the many ways we filter out those not fit for New Eden.

attitudes like that filter out far too many paying people from the system of which ccp gets their cash.
in my time iv heard of complete game quits and near quits because of such activities.
Would you rather we were ganking you in Eve, or in every other MMO you may play, think about it.

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remember.. be nice to newbies.. cause in the end it means more targets for every one..somewhat/mostly on the newbies terms which will raise their enjoyment of the game and make them spend more on eve which the money could/can go back into improving eve for us all
We are nice to newbies, especially well informed ones. The ignorant and themeparkers can foxtrot oscar though.

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Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
#29 - 2014-01-08 20:00:48 UTC
When a player mines in an untanked Ret while ark and I SG them, it should be a learning opportunity. When that same player comes back into the same system, same belt, same spot, with the same fit and doesn't warp out as soon as I and my crew jump in, I'm very happy to gank them repeatedly until they learn.

OTOH, there are those that seem to learn and either start to watch local an d dock up, or even better, jump in a PvP ship and chase me. Those I will tend to leave alone.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#30 - 2014-01-09 10:58:58 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I have never seen anyone repeatedly suicide gank a newbie.

If you can link me a killboard where someone has ganked 6+ Ventures belonging to the same player, then I'll take your comments seriously.

That's the only mining ship a newbie can fly, as even the humble Mining Barges take significantly more training time to sit in than battleships do. We in the New Order certainly don't bother shooting up Ventures often.

Thats true, but you can still be in a mining barge around a week after starting. The more important thing than character age is that we don't repeatedly gank the same people unless they keep mining in the same area as they were previously ganked in. We don't single out targets unless they are particularly outspoken, or keep doing stupid things like going afk and not tanking their ship.

Stupid - "The act of doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results"

If you get ganked, change tactics. Its as simple as that.



The skill requirements for a barge are comparable to those of an Assault Frigate, which is not a newbie ship.

The skill requirements for an Exhumer are close to those of a Marauder IIRC. The only ships that need significantly more skilling into are capitals.

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Teardrop Butterfly
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-01-09 12:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Teardrop Butterfly
The issue you have with suicide ganking that does not exist, as far as I am aware, with bumping, is that suicide ganking can in the right circumstances be profitable.

People are free to make money in this game by any means they wish to. If you decide to keep making suicide ganks profitable for those destroying your property, can you blame them for repeatedly coming back for more?

It is not harassment if the victim encourages it.
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