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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#21 - 2014-01-08 08:26:55 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Every time an greedy idiot quits because they fell for a scam, an angel gets its wingalings.

Also, just because you think its illegal, that don't make it so, sweetiepie.

I've heard that losing all your in game possessions to a scammer can breathe new life into the game for many victims. Going back to mining in a velator and starting from scratch can be a refreshing experience and many victims of scamming are grateful that they have been freed from the bonds of a stale and unsatisfying routine.

Oh god.
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-01-08 08:27:00 UTC
deep breath hahahahahahahahahahahah RMT got caught hahahahahahaha

nice post to wake up to already feel better
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#23 - 2014-01-08 08:29:53 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Every time an greedy idiot quits because they fell for a scam, an angel gets its wingalings.

Also, just because you think its illegal, that don't make it so, sweetiepie.

I've heard that losing all your in game possessions to a scammer can breathe new life into the game for many victims. Going back to mining in a velator and starting from scratch can be a refreshing experience and many victims of scamming are grateful that they have been freed from the bonds of a stale and unsatisfying routine.


Indeed, true redemption is to be reborn, knowing what you know now.

Wings of foresight and without the weight sand-bags of greed to stop you flying high.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#24 - 2014-01-08 08:30:12 UTC
You are dirty until proven otherwise.....

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Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
#25 - 2014-01-08 08:51:22 UTC
Start a petition, if you were doing something legit you'll probably get the ISK back.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2014-01-08 08:57:55 UTC
Jaiden Demonia wrote:
If you really want to clean up this game.

How about we get rid of all the contract scammers that sit in Jita scamming all day long
They're not doing anything wrong, though, so that wouldn't really clean up anything.

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in fact most those illegal scammers are likely related to RMT activity anyways.
How would you know this? Also, even if they did, the scams are still not illegal and they'll get whacked for what they're actually doing wrong, which is the RMT.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-01-08 09:01:51 UTC
Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Scamming isn't illegal but I see it as illegal, or well dumb.

500 Million ISK a day using three accounts. You shouldn't call anybody dumb, except yourself.
And considering your style of writing... you would be right! ;)

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#28 - 2014-01-08 09:13:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Like seriously I make a lot of transactions this month in EVE, I sell over 3 Billion worth of resources this month in EVE, and I log back into EVE a few days later to see that my account is Negative 600 Million ISK for some odd reason. I check my transaction logs and it says something about a GM RMT Reversal first time in over many months of doing active trades between players, many contracts, and many 0 ISK/Direct Wallet trades.

I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it.

When a Reversal on an account occurs, Does this mean that the player who did the transfer with a person is given the items, or ISK back?



Those assets/isks explode/vanish/leave game.

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I file a petition on this as this is the first time doing the exact same trades, Industry/Mining that I have done for months on my account, I understand that my accounts could have been flagged like in other games due to Large Transactions in ISK in a single month but when you have 5 accounts what do you expect to happen I also do all my transactions on a single character.



I have an alt that I handed 4b of loot to in 1 during november I think, and it sold it weeks later and then handed the cash to my corp - making all 3 accounts assymetric in effect. I have, over the course of a year or two where I was building 6b of ships weekly, probably racked up 100B in xferrs between the accounts, and there is a signficant overall flow of assets from this one, to the alt (since the alt account doesn't go out and shoot stuff). I've done transfers all sorts of ways, including 0 contracts, station xfers with both logged on and even cash donations and cash inputs to my corp. None of the accounts can ever be asset flow neutral really.

ie assymetry of legitimate asset flow between accounts does not get one bitten for RMT.

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I Guess what I am asking is how long does it generally take for CCP to actually fix these type of problems if they are a mistake, or let me know what is up so I can get hold of the corp/alliance, or whomever I did the transaction with so they can send the items back if it was indeed a reversal.

Currently I have 4 other accounts waiting to come back and make another 3-5 billion isk this month, but can't actively renew any of them until this little issues is taken care of and I have read that it can take weeks for anyone to get back in response to a petition, I have had some very long waits on some in the past too.


You can only be -600m and assetless if you were holding more RMT cash than your total cash position, which is a position people get into when they are consuming RMT by losing RMT'd items.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#29 - 2014-01-08 10:06:55 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I've heard that losing all your in game possessions to a scammer can breathe new life into the game for many victims. Going back to mining in a velator and starting from scratch can be a refreshing experience and many victims of scamming are grateful that they have been freed from the bonds of a stale and unsatisfying routine.


Never fallen for a scam because I can read but sometimes I will steamroll through L1s in a Merlin for nostalgia and fun.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#30 - 2014-01-08 10:33:54 UTC
I didn't really understand what you do for a living in EvE as you were rather ambiguous about it, but it boils down to this;

You send out a lot of money or goods for zero isk contracts but then get something back for it you're not RMT'ing.

You send out a lot of goods or money and get nothing back, you're RMT'ing.

CCP can see every transaction you make and see your IP and the other trades made on it also, so only you and CCP know for sure.

You sound like an RMT'er to me. Only a nub thinks CCP gives 2 ***** about scammed ISK unless you try to defraud a PLEX for good event, but nubs don't have 5 accounts and trade billions. And the only reason to trade something in game for nothing in game is because you're getting something out of game in return.

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I trust the people I do business with which is why I generally just do a 0 ISK transaction and let them pay me with a discount on it.


I don't understand how you can discount something beyond not paying for it.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
I Was There
Habemus
#31 - 2014-01-08 10:55:51 UTC
Usually free contracts and random money transactions between two chars, would indicate alts. Maybe your client bought money through RMT, which were used to buy your minerals.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#32 - 2014-01-08 11:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
I Was There wrote:
Usually free contracts and random money transactions between two chars, would indicate alts. Maybe your client bought money through RMT, which were used to buy your minerals.

Which should only matter if the accounts are linked by IP, which happens when people share accounts illegally.

Oh god.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#33 - 2014-01-08 11:44:48 UTC
Jaiden Demonia wrote:
Not going to lie I could give a class on exactly how to do this in online games, and even games which support Real Money Trading like Entropia, but believe me I wouldn't use my own account for such actions, I am just not a stupid person.
This statement just made me think so you got all the experience of RMT'ing and how to try to avoid it but this time you got caught...

But your best call is still like suggested, to wait and get replied from the petitions.

/c

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Rastafarian God
#34 - 2014-01-08 11:57:48 UTC
OK as risk of sounding like a tard... what does RMT stand for?

To me thats a military term that stand for Remedial training lol.

Yes this character is new (its my forum alt... ya ya I know) but I am a ceo of a corp that is training new players in the game and to be honest, its just smarter to not use my main right now lol.

Plus I've never broke the game rules so. I've never had a reason to know the lingo.

Ive seen this a lot recently though and I am curious. Although I have only recently gotton into reading the forums after 5 years of playing.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#35 - 2014-01-08 11:58:59 UTC
Rastafarian God wrote:
OK as risk of sounding like a tard... what does RMT stand for?

To me thats a military term that stand for Remedial training lol.

Yes this character is new (its my forum alt... ya ya I know) but I am a ceo of a corp that is training new players in the game and to be honest, its just smarter to not use my main right now lol.

Plus I've never broke the game rules so. I've never had a reason to know the lingo.

Ive seen this a lot recently though and I am curious. Although I have only recently gotton into reading the forums after 5 years of playing.



REALLY MENTAL TANGO

or possibly

RIGHT, MY TURN!

but most likely

Real money transfer (yawn boring zzzz)

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#36 - 2014-01-08 11:59:04 UTC
Real Money Trading.

Oh god.
Rastafarian God
#37 - 2014-01-08 12:08:41 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Real Money Trading.


Im assuming you are the one that was honest. Honestly I have no freaking clue for sure lol. I may be a psychopath in game but I still follow the rules as far as the EULA is concerned so I've never had the need to know.

I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it. But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2014-01-08 12:14:14 UTC
Rastafarian God wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Real Money Trading.


Im assuming you are the one that was honest. Honestly I have no freaking clue for sure lol. I may be a psychopath in game but I still follow the rules as far as the EULA is concerned so I've never had the need to know.

I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it. But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.



Because people try to sell Isk for far below the market value of PLEX

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#39 - 2014-01-08 12:14:24 UTC
Rastafarian God wrote:

I honestly can not fathom using EVE to trade real world money. Maybe its just because I'm older then the internet, have a degree in computers. and just know better to fall for it. But still. Are we talking about the equivalent of buying gold in WOW? IF that is the case.. why would people do that in this game ESPECIALLY with the existence of PLEX? I just dont get it.




Yes, it is the equivalent of buying Gold in other games.

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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#40 - 2014-01-08 12:22:51 UTC
Jaiden Demonia wrote:
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Thanks to your 0 ISK transaction thing, even _if_ you didn't RMT/launder CCP can't directly tie the ISK you received to the minerals you gave. That makes a it rather difficult for them to reverse the transaction.


Not going to lie I could give a class on exactly how to do this in online games, and even games which support Real Money Trading like Entropia, but believe me I wouldn't use my own account for such actions, I am just not a stupid person.

Not going to lie I could design and implement a way to track way more complicated transactions on a graph.

Still doesn't mean you have a clear transaction they can use as a basis for a refund.

Nyan