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Thirty plus Procurer botlike armada in Osmon ice belts.

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Naydra Adni
Doomheim
#121 - 2014-01-06 13:30:06 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Tornado gank squad pilots don't magically appear on tree's.

Also, have you convoed James 315 or even better, posted on the Minerbumping forums?

You have a much better chance of getting a NO response by posting the info there than here.


NO reps did respond in this thread... one said he couldn't be bothered to do it because it would be too much trouble.. another flat out said he'd rather "heroically defend" the non compliant multi boxer.
Kristopher Rocancourt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2014-01-06 13:49:44 UTC
Chicknhawk wrote:
Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem.
Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.

Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.

Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good.

Man up and protect your own territories instead of coming to C&P and asking the people that already hate, and actively gank miners to do your wetwork for you.

http://killalliance.co.uk/tears/tears-holeysheet/

Naydra Adni
Doomheim
#123 - 2014-01-06 14:13:51 UTC
Kristopher Rocancourt wrote:
Chicknhawk wrote:
Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem.
Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.

Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.

Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good.

Man up and protect your own territories instead of coming to C&P and asking the people that already hate, and actively gank miners to do your wetwork for you.


yeah! you lazy bassard! quit asking for an organization who's sole purpose is to "save highsec" by ganking bot aspirant, non compliant miners to gank bot aspirant, non compliant miners... the nerve of some people!
Precurseur
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2014-01-06 15:03:36 UTC
It's probably "The Wiz".
Previous attempts to combat this..... didn't end..... well.
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#125 - 2014-01-06 16:02:37 UTC
Naydra Adni wrote:
yeah! you lazy bassard! quit asking for an organization who's sole purpose is to "save highsec" by ganking bot aspirant, non compliant miners to gank bot aspirant, non compliant miners... the nerve of some people!

While we do what we do out of conviction, we never hide the fact that the New Order is a business and like everyone else in New Eden we try to make ISK. The shareholder money you mentioned previously is used for our daily business and can not be misused for such requests. This operation has to be self sustained. I can and will not use my own assets to help another non-compliant miner, I hope that is clear.

Also where is your contribution? How can you demand I take action while you yourself probably do nothing? Contribute your time, ships or fund our effort with ISK. Or help the OP out yourself by beating my offer. Otherwise I would request you to be silent and let me do my work.
Naydra Adni
Doomheim
#126 - 2014-01-06 17:09:11 UTC
Alyth Nerun wrote:
Naydra Adni wrote:
yeah! you lazy bassard! quit asking for an organization who's sole purpose is to "save highsec" by ganking bot aspirant, non compliant miners to gank bot aspirant, non compliant miners... the nerve of some people!

While we do what we do out of conviction, we never hide the fact that the New Order is a business and like everyone else in New Eden we try to make ISK. The shareholder money you mentioned previously is used for our daily business and can not be misused for such requests. This operation has to be self sustained. I can and will not use my own assets to help another non-compliant miner, I hope that is clear.

Also where is your contribution? How can you demand I take action while you yourself probably do nothing? Contribute your time, ships or fund our effort with ISK. Or help the OP out yourself by beating my offer. Otherwise I would request you to be silent and let me do my work.


so if the OP is a compliant miner you would make more of an effort to help? like your own time and assets?
Jeniam Retriat
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2014-01-06 18:06:17 UTC
Chicknhawk wrote:
Greed is the root of all evil. From my own experience saw seemengly good people turn into utter morons and animals because of greed and personal gain, they dont care if they're hurting others or doing harm to thousands or millions of people by their unethical antisocial behavior.


The irony is that it's greed that's at the very root of your own post. You can cry that it's unfair and that this multiboxer is "harming the community" all you want, but you've made it very clear through your comments that the main problem you have with this guy is that you are getting less ice because of his presence.

And now look, you're trying to hire people to screw him over, destroy his assets and ruin his gameplay in order to further your own greed! You haven't just fallen down that slippery slope, you've taken a running jump off it!
Dave Stark
#128 - 2014-01-06 18:49:18 UTC
Chicknhawk wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
gets called out on lying.

starts the tinfoil stories.

this is gold.



I am not lying. I explained it to you time and again, without that bot puppet master I and others always were able to get several 4 or more full loads of ice cubes per three belt ice spawn (Osmon gets three belts at the same time normally). Now with that bot armada I and others barely manage to get one and a half loads of ice per three belt ice spawn, very lucky if I manage two full loads. That guy sucks everything up, so do your math again.
do my math again? how about you just stop lying. my maths is spot on. i'm the guy that pointed out the error in the dev blog when they released the mining barge changes. that's how correct my maths is. when you lie about these things, i will call you out on it. it takes 30 procurers with orca boosts over 40 mins to clear 1 ice anomaly so telling me he's clearing all 3 in under 1 hour is complete fantasy and you know it.
feel free to show me the maths that proves you can clear 7500 units of ice in under 60 mins with 30 procurers. be a man, accept the challenge.


Mortlake wrote:
Dave Stark is obviously a GM alt, the botter and in all likelihood, Elvis. Now, if you'll just tell us where Jimmy Hoffa is buried, we can all get on with our lives.

confirming that i am the king.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#129 - 2014-01-06 19:52:21 UTC
Ice mining fields just need to be contestual making the fight over them much easier and hitting to stop.... Would also make much more PvP sense less jihad gank more fight.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
#130 - 2014-01-06 21:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tasiv Deka
Chicknhawk wrote:
Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem.
Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.

Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.

Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good.


Tell you what ~EOL will take care of the procurers for a sum of 750 mil 400 upfront to offset the cost of gank ships and the remainder when we provide you with Kms

also if you are having trouble gathering the isk yourself i can setup a payment system if you have others contributing

EDIT: Also we will throw in the freighter kill for another 100 mil (to be paid with initial deposit)

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.

Jeniam Retriat
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2014-01-06 21:40:12 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
Ice mining fields just need to be contestual making the fight over them much easier and hitting to stop.... Would also make much more PvP sense less jihad gank more fight.


We have that already, it's called lowsec. Of course, putting PvE ships in an open shooting environment tends not to end well for them...
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2014-01-06 22:01:39 UTC
Disjointed comments:

The New Order is not anyone's beck-and-callgirl for ganks. The NO is populated by pilots with a common cause, but without any format for a CTA. We go where we want and enforce the Code when we see fit. Sometimes we gather in number to smite large targets, and sometimes we act in small groups or alone. The good news is that we are the most welcoming organization in New Eden. Feel free to join up and organize any fleet you like for smiting the bots and bot-aspirants.

If the Proc miner is botting, then reporting them is all you can do. I think isboxer is a scourge on Eve, but CCP feels different. He is probably not botting, but instead using isboxer. If that is the case then where the OP thinks of him as one player "stealing" all the ice, in fact it is 30 players acting in coordination as a fleet to accomplish the task. That it is isboxer taints the whole thing, but Eve is all about finding friends and doing things with them; even if those friends are 30 of your own alts.

The reason the guy is using Procurers is because they have ridiculous amounts of hp and cost almost nothing. It is a wonder to me that CEO's tell their newbros to get into a Retriever as soon as they can. As gankers, just about no one wants to spend 40mil in catalysts (and have 4 pilots) to gank a properly tanked 10mil Procurer. As a New Order representative, I would not be so lavish with the investors isk. If the Procurers are in a fleet, the Orca would probably scoop enough modules from the Catalysts to pay for the Procurer. I'm sure Dave Stark will correct my math on that if I'm wrong.

In short: New Order recruitment is always open, isboxer sucks, ganking Procurers sucks. If you want not to be ganked and not pay the New Order's 10mil license fee its easy: fly a Procurer. You won't do it because of isk/hr. Not our fault.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
#133 - 2014-01-06 23:59:09 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Disjointed comments:

The reason the guy is using Procurers is because they have ridiculous amounts of hp and cost almost nothing. It is a wonder to me that CEO's tell their newbros to get into a Retriever as soon as they can. As gankers, just about no one wants to spend 40mil in catalysts (and have 4 pilots) to gank a properly tanked 10mil Procurer. As a New Order representative, I would not be so lavish with the investors isk. If the Procurers are in a fleet, the Orca would probably scoop enough modules from the Catalysts to pay for the Procurer. I'm sure Dave Stark will correct my math on that if I'm wrong.

In short: New Order recruitment is always open, isboxer sucks, ganking Procurers sucks. If you want not to be ganked and not pay the New Order's 10mil license fee its easy: fly a Procurer. You won't do it because of isk/hr. Not our fault.


I've never been a fine of the NO. I always reject offers from mining groups to pay me to keep them from ganking them. Miner bumping is pathetic imo.

However, I would be willing to throw in with NO members, miner alts, or whomever to try and take down the Osmon operation. I probably could convince my two confederates to join me as well (although one is still early in his training, he is coming along nicely).

Procurers are tough. I admit that I leave them alone. Part of the reason of course is that they are expensive to gank, but the more important part is that Procurer pilots have already made an intelligent and informed decision to fly something not easily ganked. Often they have come to this conclusion after I have ganked them once or twice in their Ret or Mack.

Still, a large Cat fleet attacking a bunch of procurers does sound kind of fun.

Another question, it has been my experience that they often will have an Orca boosting off grid somewhere. Find the Orca and gank it.
Naydra Adni
Doomheim
#134 - 2014-01-07 10:24:45 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Disjointed comments:

The New Order is not anyone's beck-and-callgirl for ganks. The NO is populated by pilots with a common cause, but without any format for a CTA. We go where we want and enforce the Code when we see fit. Sometimes we gather in number to smite large targets, and sometimes we act in small groups or alone. The good news is that we are the most welcoming organization in New Eden. Feel free to join up and organize any fleet you like for smiting the bots and bot-aspirants.

If the Proc miner is botting, then reporting them is all you can do. I think isboxer is a scourge on Eve, but CCP feels different. He is probably not botting, but instead using isboxer. If that is the case then where the OP thinks of him as one player "stealing" all the ice, in fact it is 30 players acting in coordination as a fleet to accomplish the task. That it is isboxer taints the whole thing, but Eve is all about finding friends and doing things with them; even if those friends are 30 of your own alts.

The reason the guy is using Procurers is because they have ridiculous amounts of hp and cost almost nothing. It is a wonder to me that CEO's tell their newbros to get into a Retriever as soon as they can. As gankers, just about no one wants to spend 40mil in catalysts (and have 4 pilots) to gank a properly tanked 10mil Procurer. As a New Order representative, I would not be so lavish with the investors isk. If the Procurers are in a fleet, the Orca would probably scoop enough modules from the Catalysts to pay for the Procurer. I'm sure Dave Stark will correct my math on that if I'm wrong.

In short: New Order recruitment is always open, isboxer sucks, ganking Procurers sucks. If you want not to be ganked and not pay the New Order's 10mil license fee its easy: fly a Procurer. You won't do it because of isk/hr. Not our fault.


I don't think anyone is really expecting you or anyone else to destroy the whole fleet in one go. everyone knows procs are tough to kill compared to the price of replacing them. but what about that freighter? big, lumbering, juicy target filling itself with goodies. I would think if he lost a couple of them (as the OP said) would put a serious hurt on his wallet.
are you saying that the NO, who pride themselves on and brag about their ability to coordinate a fleet of nega-tens in highsec and wipe out any target, while avoiding facpo and all that, and do it well.. will not even make an attempt at this bot aspirant..
I mean he's sitting there waving his man bits in your faces and all you do is make up excuses for your lack of action and unwillingness to back up the CODE.
it's like you're protecting him lol

isn't this one of the very core reasons for the NO's creation?
isn't this what your donators and shareholders expect of you.

along with being laughed at and mocked everywhere you go you have a guy sitting there (who NO representatives themselves say is NON COMPLIANT) doing "unlawful", CODE breaking activities.

damn.. half of your intel is done for you.. you know who, what and how many.. and you have the backing of an organization with (according to last report) 187 BILLION isk in shares sold, untold amounts of cats, nados and all sorts of gank ships stockpiled all throughout highsec. and yet you do nothing lol

and there he is.. hands on hips shlong slapping you in the face and you sit there taking it

In short: either you enjoy it or that single dude in the untanked retriever is a much more menacing threat.

which is it?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#135 - 2014-01-07 12:05:54 UTC
Become friends with him, find out when he PLEX's his accounts, gank him the day after.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#136 - 2014-01-08 01:02:45 UTC
Precurseur wrote:
It's probably "The Wiz".
Previous attempts to combat this..... didn't end..... well.

There's still a disco fleet stalking that guy. He's good enough that he's not been nailed yet... Single kills don't count. We want the whole circus in one giant orgy of fire.

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Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#137 - 2014-01-09 08:49:37 UTC
I'm not sure if you've all looked at the perspective correctly.

OP; Did the ice fields recycle fast enough to respawn at least 3 times per day before the said multi-boxer arrived to claim the ice?

If the anwer is "NO", then you're looking at this from the wrong point of view, all he's doing is making sure the ice belts recycle as fast as possible.
If the answer is "YES", then I don't see how he can get all that ice by himself, if there was enough ice miners before that.

The screenshot someone posted only had about 6 retrievers in the same icebelt as the procurer fleet, if it was such a compeition and screwing other people out of their hard earned ISK; that particular Ice field would have twice the number of barges in it.

Then again, you always have an option to move somplace else. Like nullsec.

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Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#138 - 2014-01-09 08:53:43 UTC
Naydra Adni wrote:


In short: either you enjoy it or that single dude in the untanked retriever is a much more menacing threat.

which is it?


That single dude in an untanked retriever is a lot easier to gank and extort for "permit money" than an organized player with 30 accounts and properly tanked procurers :)

You miss the point. New Order isn't about "bringing justice to High Sec" or any other drivel they are spewing out in their propaganda. Their aim is simple. Griefing as much as possible with as little resistance as possible.

Why do you think 90% of NO pilots are in NPC corps? ;)

The character does not represent the views/opinions of its Corporation or Alliance.

Naydra Adni
Doomheim
#139 - 2014-01-09 09:09:27 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Naydra Adni wrote:


In short: either you enjoy it or that single dude in the untanked retriever is a much more menacing threat.

which is it?


That single dude in an untanked retriever is a lot easier to gank and extort for "permit money" than an organized player with 30 accounts and properly tanked procurers :)

You miss the point. New Order isn't about "bringing justice to High Sec" or any other drivel they are spewing out in their propaganda. Their aim is simple. Griefing as much as possible with as little resistance as possible.

Why do you think 90% of NO pilots are in NPC corps? ;)


too true...
I have the point well in sight lol
but it's funny when they're backed into a corner by a couple simple questions... then they get real quiet all of a sudden.
Dave Stark
#140 - 2014-01-09 19:15:51 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Why do you think 90% of NO pilots are in NPC corps? ;)

because player corp mechanics are **** and NPC corps offer far more than virtually every player corp can.