EVE General Discussion

We know the answer to you veiled rhetorical question (lol). When i started peole were flying mining ships (long before the ehp buff) and there were no "safeties" to prevent people from screwing up and getting themselves killed in high sec among other things. Now there is all this stuff and people STILL aren't happy.

It's because some people can't be pleased no matter what you do or what you change or what you give them. I know, I've been through a divorce

Exactly, sister. And that's why there should be no increased security, because it doesn't help anybody.

If I choose to mine in "high" security space, which means I have already accepted the smaller yields, vastly increased competition, and restrictions of what I can mine, I shouldn't also have to further restrict myself to certain hull's or fit's that allow me to survive gank attempts, IF those fit's or hulls will result in a lesser yield.

If I could count on Concord to handle the problem in highsec while utilizing a mining ship (or maybe even an industrial?) that is fitted optimally for mining, the greater yields and opportunities I woul dhave in lower security space would be better balanced.

Having so little time to learn the game, it's entirely possible there are mining ships that I can fit a shield onto that will have no negative impact at all on my mining. Is that true for any mining ship I may be able to pilot? Will a single shield extender be enough to delay the attack till Concord arrives? I don't know. In high security, I shouldn't have to worry about that as much as I do now.

This isn't a single event in a single point of time. Everything evovles. There already were a lot of changes that increased security. For miners, as last example I know, it was the barge buff. Did it stop the complaints? No.

You are looking at it from one point in time, while it's actually a long time frame. One more step and one more step and one more step etc etc. You're not the first to come up with this and you won't be the last. People will always demand as long as they get blown up.

All the reason why this exists is because people refuse to take care of themselves and demand that the system takes care of them. And all this won't stop until they learn it or leave.

So, when do you think people will stop complaining about getting ganked?

Let this be an example of how much I am opposed to ganking. I have actually structured my game around avoiding it. I don't get to do the things I'd like to thanks to the ability to get popped for any or no reason at all. My only ship loss since returning a month ago was a Venture in .5 space, and I think I have a hardener on it....

I have never in all the time played, had Concord show up to punish someone who attacked me. That is how seriously I avoid it. It is completely un-fun. But, I play BF4 almost daily, loved BG in WoW and ToR. A little insight into me that will probably allow my blush to fade faster......

People keep saying things like this, and it's always just /shrug
How do you know what I think I want?! When have I ever said I want to be totally safe. Sheesh



See my last post. I play true PvP (with willing combatants) all the time. I don't like the 'knock-out' game, which is what highsec ganking is.

Lucas... I want to add that your argument fits for every point in time regarding this issue, as long as people get blown up. It literally is the same argument used all the time.

I get it now. You enjoy themepark style games & think EVE should also be a themepark instead of a sandbox.


How about no.

So instead of you restricting yourself you want to restrict others.



This just further illustrates the myriad of choices available to you. Don't like getting ganked in hisec? Then go to lowsec and get ganked but with better ore.



A single shield extender will mitigate more damage than no shield extender. Be advised, of course, that this is merely my opinion and has no real basis in fact.



How much SHOULD you have to worry about it?

The only two mining barges with a solo midslot are the Retriever and the Covetor, and thus not really tankable. If you're not prepared to factor ship losses into your mining income then the only sensible choices for hisec mining are the Mackinaw and Procuror. You should be comparing the cost of properly tanked ships vs ship replacement, and factoring that into any calculations.

If you are prepared to accept ship losses as a cost of doing business then by all means use a Retriever, I'd recommend a Procurer though, the cargo isn't big enough to really afk, you can fill the ore hold in 4 cycles without using t2 strips, and people tend to leave you alone.

The Mackinaw is a great ship if expensive, it has good yield and can pack a decent defence, the Procurer suffers a little on yield but can make any attempted gank prohibitively expensive. Obviously defence capabilities are down to whether or not you bother to fit a tank. The caveat is that no fit is gankproof, but you can certainly make yourself into an unattractive target.

If you're using a Hulk or Covetor solo then you deserve to die, they're designed to be used with Orca support, without it they're pretty meh. Skiffs are fun for all sorts of purposes, normally involving the mining of tears.