Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The difference is that in 0.0 I assume everyone not purple, blue, or green is trying to kill me. You cannot make that assumption in highsec and therefore cannot take preventative measures to protect yourself.

Additionally, this would totally be abused to move high value things with complete impunity.

You read this topic inattentively or don't read at all.
In highsec the threat is a war enemy. When someone declares war against you - you know about it. You're aware that you can be killed. And if you have some brains you start to monitor dscan while ratting and to use a scout while travelling in slow ships.
Most arguments I see in this topic and the second similar - are dictated by the simplest carebear lazyness, making 'bears whine about everything that would make them do additional few clicks to protect themselves.


Actually, I don't really need to convince you. Become a dev or at least csm member, first.
BTW, I'm not answering here to anybody personally. All my answers should be considered like answers to the thoughts in posts, not to the persons.

I've never seen a really significant objection about highsec covcynos in this topic.
Just 2 types:
'bears whining because they would need to use dscan more actively during wartime to see combat probes in time;
other passer-by-s which think (usually based on their minimal experience and knowledge) that covcynos will magically turn transport ships into super mobile super fast hyperspace travellers (while I've explained several times that to move a transport ship it takes 3 accounts active in the same time, at the very least, and such a travel is a pretty sensible routine by itself).

Though, I absolutely agree that liting covcyno should give suspect to the cyno character. And probably even to every pilot who jumps to it.

While the pro-s for this idea are already mentioned in the 1st post. Mostly, it's a damn nice thing for small-scale dogfight-style fun for highsec.
All 'bears should remember, that eve is a pvp game. Yes, marketing, industry and other economical / social stuff between players (not ratting, sorry) - are also part of pvp.

I like this idea in general, but subject to minor changes.

I think the covert cyno appearing either on everyone's overview or as an anomoly would be an improvement. Hubs would likely need to be exempt for server load reasons (which is disappointing), and setting OR USING a cov cyno should definitely be a Crimewatch yellow card. After all, you are breaking laws against cyno transport in highsec.

Local would then provide a warning to vigilant WTs - a spike in local with several suspects - which should say to people 'LOOK OUT'.

yes, cause a ceptor is so fragile and can't survive bubble camp....oh wait

You mean like a blockade runner?

...That takes 3 people, costs 10 times as much, and has much much longer training time?

Hell no. You highsec wardeccers want to use these features, then GTFO of highsec and come play in lowsec/nullsec like everyone else.

Next thing you know, you will be wanting to use bombs in highsec.

Geez, how easy do you want your highsec griefing to be?

You don't need to identify neutral cynos. You need to only see combat probes with your dscan.
If someone wants to suicide tackle you on the other side of a gate - well, it's a bad idea, for him: such suicide tackling with cyno up needs a perfect timing and has low chance of success even in the best case scenario - in most cases concord won't give you enough time to put up a bridge and jump through it before the tackler dies.


Nonsense.
1) Blocade runner and JF have cargohold sizes of totally different levels. Their roles and abilities are too different to compare them, they're in different niches.
2) Blocade runner doesn't need to be afraid of smartbombing so it can pass lowsec camps very safely.
3) If you're moving 10b worth cargo, you use a scout alt. And if some gate is so insanely well camped that the campers would have high chance of decloaking you (incredibly rare situation for lowsec) -- you can take another route.
4) Someone has already suggested here to disallow covcynos in trade hubs, obviously it's a needed restriction.
5) Blackops doesn't just send a blockade runner 1 jump further, it has to follow, and for that it has to get suspect flag. If covcyno will be visible in overview in highsec - the risk becomes even bigger.
Don't put JF and blockade runner on the same level. For any cargo which can be moved inside a blockade runner a JF is absolutely excessive. No matter with or without cynos in highsec.

BTW, one more point for this covcyno idea: everything that makes people play at least a bit smarter is good by default.

Here is my objection:
IRT Highsec PVP:
I have no issue with this. You want to pvp, WD someone or take it to .4 and lower

IRT Concord:
Concord has a firm grip on what happens in empire space. Perhaps they've developed the ability to cyno jam their systems to even keep covert cynos out, much like they do when you try to cloak up in hisec and you are a criminal.

You CAN still bridge from highsec to a covert cyno in .4 and lower space.

IRT Care Bears:
Some people simply enjoy the game for the PVE side of things. Not everyone wants to get into a PVP fight all the time. Some people want to kick back, run some missions, and enjoy using ships they've earned. There is already game mechanics for unfiltered PVP through every gate. This game doesn't seem to always be about one customers playing style, it seems to have several different opportunities for people of all playing styles to enjoy the product they purchase every month.

hot drop to counter the hot drops?

if they are refusing to engage because they know u have a cyno, then wont they be as equally reluctant if u brought the entire fleet up front?

or is it the threat of potential cyno's that scares them? in which case...hi-sec? and dock up for a week every time u get war decced?

I used to fly my blockade runner through people who want to kill me on a pretty regular basis. I'll argue that it is MORE dangerous to go station-blops-jita 10x in a row in a BR than it is to drop a JF on a low to hi gate or just make the whole trip ten times in a BR.