These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Crime & Punishment

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Another Post on Suicide Ganking
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-01-06 14:23:54 UTC
Kajaastas wrote:
Loved reading this thread so much I told my corp to take a break from real pvp and go out and gank orca's for fun! Lol

Got two back to back! Twisted
https://zkillboard.com/detail/35737755/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/35738467/

I was only there for the third one =(
https://zkillboard.com/detail/35740568/


Good job on helping those pilots with their fitting! From looking at the losses it's obvious they needed help. With your assistance they will do a better job fitting their next Orca.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-01-06 15:35:53 UTC
there needs to be a change.

Remove local
Remove cloaking devices
Remove Concord
Remove Bubble immunity.

http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-01-06 16:18:11 UTC


Remove local - agreed
Remove cloaking devices - why?
Remove Concord - lol
Remove Bubble immunity - "I enjoy camping gates and I get real mad when people can warp out"

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-01-06 23:24:22 UTC
Remove local - This is a choice you can make for yourself. Just go to any wormhole.

Remove cloaking devices - These can be used both to gank and to avoid ganking. I like them Big smile

Remove Concord - This is also an option in Eve if you chose.... Nullsec or lowsec

Remove Bubble immunity. - IDC since I don't really fly much in nullsec anymore. Even when I did I didn't care about the bubbles because I never flew anything that was nullified... Just use a scout and don't warp from gate to gate and you're normally fine.
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-01-07 02:23:39 UTC
high sec ganking has less risk than high sec carebear'ing

less risk

maybe not less skill, but less risk.

Sec status? Who needs that anyway? You still can gank in high sec with a -10 sec status.
ISK? Catalysts that cost 2mil ISK? And you talk about risk?

Getting killed in PvP combat? lol... the target is dead in less than 10 seconds. There's literally no time to react or to kill a ganking catalyst.



high sec "PvP" is the stupidest excuse for PvP that I've ever seen in a game.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-01-07 04:36:34 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:


Sec status? Who needs that anyway? You still can gank in high sec with a -10 sec status.
Who needs that? I'm betting you...

Yes, you can still gank with -10 sec status, it just becomes a hell of a lot harder since your time window is reduced from inifinte to 30 seconds or something b4 faction police catches up with you.


Quote:
ISK? Catalysts that cost 2mil ISK? And you talk about risk?
My cata's cost 3-10 million. Yes, that's not a huge ammount of isk. We simply choose the ship that has the best isk/gank ratio, minimizing our losses. There is nothing that prevents miners of doing the same, except for their own ignorance and yield whoring. If you're flying 200-300 million exhumers that are so poorly tanked that you can pop them with a single catalyst, maybe you're doing it wrong? Specially considering you can fit out a tanked t1 procurer for about 15 million, which needs an entire squad of catalysts to take out.



Quote:
Getting killed in PvP combat? lol... the target is dead in less than 10 seconds. There's literally no time to react or to kill a ganking catalyst.
Most ganks last longer than that, I don't think I've ever ganked a barge in less than 10 seconds. Even if it were true, if you're prepared 10 seconds would be enough to fumble a gank, I've had failed ganks because ppl brang enough firepower/ecm.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-01-07 04:37:27 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
high sec ganking has less risk than high sec carebear'ing

less risk

maybe not less skill, but less risk.

Sec status? Who needs that anyway? You still can gank in high sec with a -10 sec status.
ISK? Catalysts that cost 2mil ISK? And you talk about risk?

Getting killed in PvP combat? lol... the target is dead in less than 10 seconds. There's literally no time to react or to kill a ganking catalyst.



high sec "PvP" is the stupidest excuse for PvP that I've ever seen in a game.




Not all hisec PvP are ganks man... And while I tend to agree better PvP is in lowsec... There are some good hisec PvP corps around.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-01-07 07:26:54 UTC
Luwc wrote:
there needs to be a change.

Remove local
Remove cloaking devices
Remove Concord
Remove Bubble immunity.


The only change required here is the alliance you occupy.

This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-01-07 14:21:52 UTC
Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:
high sec ganking has less risk than high sec carebear'ing

less risk

maybe not less skill, but less risk.

Sec status? Who needs that anyway? You still can gank in high sec with a -10 sec status.
ISK? Catalysts that cost 2mil ISK? And you talk about risk?

Getting killed in PvP combat? lol... the target is dead in less than 10 seconds. There's literally no time to react or to kill a ganking catalyst.



high sec "PvP" is the stupidest excuse for PvP that I've ever seen in a game.


I will admit most PVP isn't "fair" in Eve. Do you think a dozen -10 pilots on a gate ganking a hauler in lowsec is any fairer than a -10 pilot in a Catalyst ganking an untanked Retriever?

Highsec PVP is only "stupid" if you're not smart enough to survive. If you have basic situational awareness and fit your ship properly you will avoid being a victim to a gank.

t's human nature to blame everyone but themselves and this is no different. People will rage when they get ganked but they refuse to admit they could have prevented themselves from becoming a victim.


1. Fit your ship properly (Don't fly a poorly or untanked ship)
This is mostly for mining barges but applies to all ships


2. Don't go overboard with shiny modules.
For mission ships use T2 except your booster/ repper and damage mods. With most fits faction weapons and resist modules are totally unnecessary and don't provide an advantage. Yes you may be able to tank more but if you can tank whole room aggro with T2 hardeners why would you want more tank?


3. Have situational awareness.
Look at the kills for your system to see what is becoming a victim. If you're flying a barge and see lots of Retriever kills that might mean you should look at getting something with more tank like a Procurer.

Use directional scan!.... I don't think I can add to this.

Align to something... This allows you to warp away fast. Don't sit at the warp in point in a mission. You make yourself an easy victim if they can just go through the gate and land on you at 0



I'll give a good example of how I prevented myself from becoming a victim

I decided I was going to run some SOE missions because I want the LP to buy a Stratios. I get in my Golem and before I make the 15 jumps I think "Wait I've heard that lots of gankers are in that system" so I go on the killboards and look it up. I see lots of mission ships being ganked by Catalysts... I look at their fits and some of them were just ganked for a faction repper and damage mods. I rethink my choice of the Golem and go for my CNR. I replace the CNR BSC with T2. Yes I lost 56 DPS but I don't have gankers looking at me as their next victim.


Yes you can cry on the forms about how unfair it was that you got ganked but if you do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to protect yourself no one is going to feel sorry for you. Even if you do find someone to feel sorry for you it's unlikely they will replace your ship Big smile