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Jack of all trades Stratios?
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-06 03:24:30 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
So i bought me a second Stratios, trying to make it work... need suggestions on how to make it even more deadly.

At a glance, it has 28k ehp, 65% resists, 1750 speed (implant), and 620 dps (520 drones, 100 turrets).

My previous version was similar, it performed well, until it got hot dropped by 30 bombers...

Anyways, I built it to kite, I have 2-3 medium utility slots and a depo in cargo, so I refit for jams, tracking disruptors, remote damps, as needed. Standard fit is 1 ECM and 1 ECM Burst (works nicely on gates btw). idea is to orbit at roughly 30-35km and let sentries do the work while heating the point. I need probes as i live in wormholes.

I also know that other ships are better at this role perhaps, but I like looks of stratios.

High power
3x Heavy Pulse Laser II
1x Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
1x Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Medium power
1x True Sansha Warp Disruptor
1x Gistum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
1x 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I
1x Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
1x ECM Burst II

Low power
1x Centii A-Type Explosive Plating
2x Drone Damage Amplifier II
1x Federation Navy 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates
1x Coreli A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating

Rig Slot
2x Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I
1x Medium Ancillary Current Router II

The problem I have is that this ship doesnt really work well as a kiter. Armor tank means it loses speed, and shield tank means it looses utility mids. High-end deadspace mods cost so much CPU that they cant be fitted to stratios.

So, keeping in mind I want a kiting boat, what can I do to make this thing go even faster while keeping its tank, utility mids, and dps, and gun range of 30-40km? ISK wise this fit cost me 900mil all in, I dont want to spend more then 1.5 on it - cant plug in Snakes either, I have crystals.

Need ideas, what have I overlooked?
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#2 - 2014-01-06 04:24:20 UTC
Well to start, your rigs and plate completely contradict each other, therefor reducing both of their effectiveness. The only good kiting Stratios I've seen was a shield one. Forego armor all together and slap 2 LSE on that thing, drone amps in the lows, and fly it like an Ishtar.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-01-06 06:02:34 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Well to start, your rigs and plate completely contradict each other, therefor reducing both of their effectiveness. The only good kiting Stratios I've seen was a shield one. Forego armor all together and slap 2 LSE on that thing, drone amps in the lows, and fly it like an Ishtar.


yeah the rigs are there to get back the speed I lose when i put the plate on. True it reduces the armor effect by -20%, but its ok.

Thing is, you cant really put any other rigs on it; drone rigs eat CPU, gun rigs eat power, dont really need cap regen rigs...
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#4 - 2014-01-06 07:08:35 UTC
If attempting to kite I'd try to go with something along the lines of this:

[Stratios, test]
Centum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Coreli A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Gistum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive
True Sansha Warp Disruptor
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Garde II x4



Rigs are more to taste than anything else. Honestly with that many mids I'd want a cap booster regardless of whether I'm active tanking or not just in case I need it. Mids to taste, of course, but I'd suggest keeping the web in case you get someone getting a little too close for comfort and need them to back the **** up. Active armour doesn't hurt your mobility like buffer does, allowing you to kite more easily. The EHP is a bit low, at only 19.8k, but without an implant the speed is 1894 with a 5.3s align time.


So really, raw buffer aside, this fit is pretty similar to yours while going faster, having a smaller buffer but a larger tank after a while (with no heat the raw buffer amount is compensated in 42s/33s heated, so rather poor at first but getting better with time) and keeping most of the utility mids, only losing one to a cap booster. Also, the rigs aren't contradictory and you don't require a T2 fitting rig.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-01-06 15:55:20 UTC
Goldensaver wrote:
If attempting to kite I'd try to go with something along the lines of this:

[Stratios, test]
Centum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Coreli A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Rigs are more to taste than anything else. Honestly with that many mids I'd want a cap booster regardless of whether I'm active tanking or not just in case I need it. Mids to taste, of course, but I'd suggest keeping the web in case you get someone getting a little too close for comfort and need them to back the **** up. Active armour doesn't hurt your mobility like buffer does, allowing you to kite more easily. The EHP is a bit low, at only 19.8k, but without an implant the speed is 1894 with a 5.3s align time.


So really, raw buffer aside, this fit is pretty similar to yours while going faster, having a smaller buffer but a larger tank after a while (with no heat the raw buffer amount is compensated in 42s/33s heated, so rather poor at first but getting better with time) and keeping most of the utility mids, only losing one to a cap booster. Also, the rigs aren't contradictory and you don't require a T2 fitting rig.


Hmm, but will it survive with an active tank? Say you start a fight, and a sentry boat joins, or a tornado lands... By the time that armor repper cycles in 9 seconds, you will be allready popped, without a buffer... thats the risk isnt it.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#6 - 2014-01-06 16:58:24 UTC
That's also the risk when flying any active tanked armor boat Blink

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-01-06 17:26:41 UTC
Yeah I actually did think about anciliary armor repper fit, that way i can beef the speed up to 2k, very respectable kiting speed... ahh hell, i'll just fit another stratios with anciliary repper after i lose this one, see how it goes.
Heather Cole
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#8 - 2014-01-06 17:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Heather Cole
If you want to kite in it then you really really don't want to fit a plate, and personally I'd take active armor over shield for a solo boat. It's all about picking your fights, because let's be honest here, a plated Stratios will die plenty quick to either of the two things you picked as banes of active tanking.
As already pointed out the align time of the active fit is pretty sweet. Chances are good (well, better than if you fly with a plate) that if something capable of alpha-ing through you lands on grid you can warp off (especially so if you're on point with d-scan, and I expect a wormhole dweller such as yourself is always on point with d-scan). And if the alpha boat was on grid when you de-cloak well then you deserve what you get. Pick your fights.

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