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Desperate Scientists Try To Prove Their Theory Of “Everything”

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2014-01-06 02:53:45 UTC
So what qualifications has the OP got and what papers have you written?
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-01-06 03:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
And yet, they are calling this picture of random subatomic decay of elementary particles... “god”.


ITT: theists butthurt about science brandishing agitated nonsense. News at 11.

Start by learning about the real reason why the Higgs Boson was dubbed "the god particle", no need to have a degree on particle physics to understand that particular issue.

The hubris of ignorance...
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-01-06 12:04:09 UTC
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
And yet, they are calling this picture of random subatomic decay of elementary particles... “god”.


ITT: theists butthurt about science brandishing agitated nonsense. News at 11.

Start by learning about the real reason why the Higgs Boson was dubbed "the god particle", no need to have a degree on particle physics to understand that particular issue.

The hubris of ignorance...



I am not a theist, and please, by all means... enlighten us with the illumination of your superior understanding on the subject. That is in large part why I make threads like this. God in no way (at least for me) comes into the equation when discussing particle physics, unlike these scientists who are ever so coyly dubbing something "god" or "god like" right under our noses.

Do tell... I am listening Big smile

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-01-06 12:14:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
baltec1 wrote:
So what qualifications has the OP got and what papers have you written?



My most important qualification comes from elementary school where they told me the basics of the scientific method. Since then I have seen doctors of every field take a gigantic steaming crap on it in order to entice grants, enhance their own personal fame and/or agendas and propagate social stereotypes.


The most important paper that I have written was in bad cursive, in about the fourth grade. Where I clearly outlined that 1. you must first observe a phenomena and then 2. use the scientific method (and mathematics) to interpret that phenomena and 3. predict further dynamic processes as a last and final step.


As oppose to... you know... standing in front of a marker board and imagining "string theory" (a thing that you can never possibly observe in real life) and then inventing math that requires so many imaginary dimensions just to get my numbers to work (because they do not actually work) just so I can play some violins on the discovery channel and call myself a genius. Similarly, you should not smash a seemingly infinite amount of protons together in order to observe random particle decay at the speed of light, see a random event every 1 trillion (10^12) times that does not quite look like what you were expecting and tell the world that you have found a predicted god particle that fixes all of the holes in your "theory of everything".




So as you can see... I, as well as many elementary school graduates around the world are in fact extremely well vised and educated on the subject at hand. I presume you made it to the fourth grade and learned the scientific method? Did you not? If you didn't that's ok, I understand. Not everyone can excel in elementary school.

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Onyx Nyx
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#25 - 2014-01-06 12:35:59 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


So as you can see... I am extremely well vised on the subject.


The article was published back in march last year and you air thoughts on it now, on a forum about internet spaceships. To me, that is just hilarious.

If you are "extremely well vised on the subject", then I have to ask you to prove that by supplying your credentials from a accredited university and a few of your published papers on the subject of particle physics because, well, your track history of making arguments and statements like this are on the level of "scientific" level of Deepak Chopra.

Also, I am posting in a Eternum Praetorian thread. Hi mom! Couldn't have done it without you. <3

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-01-06 12:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
I can give you the name of the elementary school where I wrote my first papers on proper scientific practices if you like? Everything else after that is just bells and whistles.

This god particle thing has been on my mind for a while, I just have not been bothering to post on my favorite Internet spaceships forum lately. Yesterday I just figured... why the hell not!




Also... Triumvirate (dot). What happened to Triumvirate 1.0? Oh... right... Blink

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2014-01-06 12:45:16 UTC
So what makes you think elementary school level qualifications lets you rubbish the cutting edge science that the greatest minds of humanity is currently working on?
Onyx Nyx
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#28 - 2014-01-06 12:47:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Onyx Nyx
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I can give you the name of the elementary school where I wrote my first papers on proper scientific practices if you like? Everything else after that is just bells and whistles.


This god particle thing has been on my mind for a while, I just have not been bothering posting on my favorite Internet spaceships forum lately. Yesterday I just figured... why the hell not!


Also... Triumvirate (dot). What happened to Triumvirate 1.0? Blink


Please do. I could do with some more laughs with my popcorn.

I think you'd have a higher chance of success if you went back to the WoW forums, you might actually get a few internet points. Here, not so much.

Went into hibernation. But we came back, much unlike your argumentative skills and scientific career.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-01-06 12:57:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So what makes you think elementary school level qualifications lets you rubbish the cutting edge science that the greatest minds of humanity is currently working on?



You seemed to have missed the irony. My jest and sarcasm is meant to point out how those scientists... grow up to forget the most basic methods of science in the pursuit of their own wealth, fame and agendas. The "cutting edge" science that you speak of is also a place of egos, profits and improper/incomplete scientific methods.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-01-06 12:58:28 UTC
Onyx Nyx wrote:

Went into hibernation. But we came back, much unlike your argumentative skills and scientific career.


And now I am sure that Tri 3.0 will some how become relevant again... Next... Hydra!! 4.0!



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Onyx Nyx
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#31 - 2014-01-06 13:16:46 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Onyx Nyx wrote:

Went into hibernation. But we came back, much unlike your argumentative skills and scientific career.


And now I am sure that Tri 3.0 will some how become relevant again... Next... Hydra!! 4.0!


If I ever considered you as someone with any credibility, I would appreciate the effort you put into deflecting the questions about your scientific credentials.

But the revival of Triumvirate is not in the limelight here. You are.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#32 - 2014-01-06 13:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
In other words... whatever it is that they think that they have found (that they cannot actually see) is ultimately behaving differently then what they were originally looking for... and what was originally predicted to be there.

It wasn't until three years ago that we've actually been able to "see" an electron, yet there was absolutely no contest over whether electrons do exist or not for a whole lot longer than that.
Also, it's still not clear whether this is "the" Higgs Boson or the lightest of several Higgs Bosons, and further testing could take quite a few extra years.

Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I am the original threadnaught maker--bringing to light pseudoscience theories, questionable philosophies and why you can't ever flip a coin and get heads 10,000 times in a row maker.

I wouldn't exactly pride myself with that thread if I was in your position, but to each its own, I guess.
Side-note, this case we have here is more or less the reverse of that - in that truly massive amounts of data were scoured and certain events were repeatedly recorded, with inconclusive data repeatedly chopped off, leaving an ever-mounting mountain of, yes, circumstantial, yet fairly solid evidence to support the claims, whereas no clearly conflicting evidence could be found.
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
#33 - 2014-01-06 14:01:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So what qualifications has the OP got and what papers have you written?

Not saying the OP is right but: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

Lack of qualification is not the reason he's wrong.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#34 - 2014-01-06 14:04:48 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
In other words... whatever it is that they think that they have found (that they cannot actually see) is ultimately behaving differently then what they were originally looking for... and what was originally predicted to be there.

It wasn't until three years ago that we've actually been able to "see" an electron, yet there was absolutely no contest over whether electrons do exist or not for a whole lot longer than that.
Also, it's still not clear whether this is "the" Higgs Boson or the lightest of several Higgs Bosons, and further testing could take quite a few extra years.


This Anti-Science Movement is just plain-ol' Scary, tbh.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-01-06 15:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Akita T wrote:

I wouldn't exactly pride myself with that thread if I was in your position, but to each its own, I guess.
Side-note, this case we have here is more or less the reverse of that - in that truly massive amounts of data were scoured and certain events were repeatedly recorded, with inconclusive data repeatedly chopped off, leaving an ever-mounting mountain of, yes, circumstantial, yet fairly solid evidence to support the claims, whereas no clearly conflicting evidence could be found.


So do you have a link to their fairly solid evidence to support their claims, where as no clearly conflicting evidence could be found? I would truly love to go over that data (no sarcasm intended).



It seems to me that if you run that many trials of collisions, one out of every 1 trillion (10^12) times you might find just about any result that you were looking for.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2014-01-06 19:18:10 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So what makes you think elementary school level qualifications lets you rubbish the cutting edge science that the greatest minds of humanity is currently working on?



You seemed to have missed the irony. My jest and sarcasm is meant to point out how those scientists... grow up to forget the most basic methods of science in the pursuit of their own wealth, fame and agendas. The "cutting edge" science that you speak of is also a place of egos, profits and improper/incomplete scientific methods.



Given that they have run hundreds if not thousands of runs to compile the data using two teams on multiple detectors and one of the teams was hoping they would not detect the god partical I would say their methods are good.

Most people were hoping there would be no partical as it would mean our best theories were wrong.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#37 - 2014-01-06 21:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
baltec1 wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
So what makes you think elementary school level qualifications lets you rubbish the cutting edge science that the greatest minds of humanity is currently working on?



You seemed to have missed the irony. My jest and sarcasm is meant to point out how those scientists... grow up to forget the most basic methods of science in the pursuit of their own wealth, fame and agendas. The "cutting edge" science that you speak of is also a place of egos, profits and improper/incomplete scientific methods.



Given that they have run hundreds if not thousands of runs to compile the data using two teams on multiple detectors and one of the teams was hoping they would not detect the god partical I would say their methods are good.

Most people were hoping there would be no partical as it would mean our best theories were wrong.


I don't know where you are getting your information from, but that entire collider was constructed to create such high energies specifically for the purpose of finding the imaginary Higgs particle. Everyone there, on both teams, were taught in school that this thing should have existed and all of them knew that was the reason why they were there.


Would you want to be on the team that "doesn't" find it?

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#38 - 2014-01-06 21:50:29 UTC
What they found was not a "everything" particle at all. There is nothing about it to even suggest so.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#39 - 2014-01-06 21:53:42 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
What they found was not a "everything" particle at all. There is nothing about it to even suggest so.

So?

That observation is what makes me doubt you understand scientific method.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-01-06 21:58:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
silens vesica wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
What they found was not a "everything" particle at all. There is nothing about it to even suggest so.

So?

That observation is what makes me doubt you understand scientific method.


And your reply makes me doubt that you read my post all the way through.




Many new particles have been found in that particle masher. This particular one does not stand out in anyway shape or form. It does not exist at energy levels in which Higgs particles are reputed to reside. It has no strange or peculiar properties. It is a particle with a positive charge that may or may not have a spin, and is only observable one out of every billion billion tries.


Now imagine taking this discovery and calling it god. Saying that everything in the universe now makes sense, that this particle is the glue that holds it all together and then awarding someone the Noble Prize for the discovery.



This is not the scientific method...this is scientific politics.

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