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FW cheap starter Frigate [Amarr L4z0rs]
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#1 - 2013-12-09 15:36:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalelmir Ahashion
hi,
so it's time to try some Faction Warfare as I've never touched it.

going to join the amarr militia and I plan to purchase huge load of cheap frigates, haul them near the field of battle and only then join the militia.

so I'm going for armor L4z0rs frigate and so far after testing out the field I was going to use the punisher.

this is the fit I managed to set up, note: was thinking for pvp and cheap as possible as I'm utter newbie pvp pilot.

Punisher

Low:
Energized adaptive nano membrane I
damage control I
400mm Reinforced crystalline carbonide plates I
Extruded Heat Sink I

med:
Experimental 1mn Afterburner (got 770ms with it active)
X5 prototype Engine Enervator

high:
Gatling Anode particle Stream I (Ultraviolet S) X 3 [gun was cheap and easy on fitting also got decent range for brawling, ammo got decent damage and cap\range bonus\debonus which was kinda decent]
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire

rigs:
Small Trimark armor pump I
Small energy Collision Accelerator I
Small processor overclocking unit I [needed little bit cpu for the nos fitting]

basicly with DC active I get like 5600 EHP, with AB active I get 770 m\s.
my dps is almost 60, almost equal number of EM and thermal damage.
max targeting range is around 27 k\m.
gun optimal is 4500 meters, fallof is almost 6000.
web range is 10km with 57.5% Velocity DEcrease for the target.
Nos is 6325 meter range and sucking 9.2 cap per second.
cap stable at around 50%

as you can see I have no idea what I'm doing.

I've seen lots or recommendations for the Tormentor which can also use some drones and got more utilities but punisher was cheaper and with less modules to fit and no drones to fit it's cost is even lower, add armor resists + damage bonus combo and it's a winner (my thought).
was thinking maybe to use armor rep instead cause the nos sucks cap anyway.

thoughts?

EDIT:
OK tested,
changed the armor plates to meta 4 armor rep, switched the cpu rig to auxilary nano pump I.
now I'm cap stable for 1:16 minute and every 4.8 seconds I heal 96 armor points. if the armor rep is offline I'm cap stable.
also ship is now faster due to the removal of the armor plates. with AB active I get 840 m\s.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2013-12-09 16:05:25 UTC
The main reason why people recommend the Tormentor over the Punisher is that with 2 midslots only, you cant have a prop mod, scram and web. This means that most frigates will simply disengage you and run away when they're losing cause you're so slow and have no web, also without T2 guns for scorch, any opponent thats faster than you can stay outside your range and pummel you. You have a web on your current fit but you really need a point (warp scrambler or warp disruptor) for PvP to hold opponents down. I'd highly advise you use a Tormentor, it may be slightly more expensive to fit but it's also much more effective. Here's a really cheap fit for you to start with:

[Tormentor, Cheap PvP]

Damage Control I
Small Automated Carapace Restoration
200mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I
Thermal Exhaust System I

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I
Patterned Stasis Web I

Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Multifrequency S
Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Multifrequency S
Dual Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Multifrequency S

Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I


Warrior I x2

The whole fit will cost you around a mere 2 million, with insurance you should be able to lose quite a few of these. It's not much more than teh Punisher fit you suggested either and you should have more success with this.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#3 - 2013-12-09 16:12:08 UTC
interesting... looks good I'll try it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2013-12-09 16:20:36 UTC
Amarr frigates don't get any optimal bonuses, which kinda sucks imo. Coercer gets a good optimal bonus, so you might want to look at that.

Oh god.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#5 - 2013-12-09 16:37:51 UTC
actually I got all destroyer skills (X Destroyer) on V.

was going to be extremely cheap on my fits to save some.

you think coercer will be much better over cheap frigs if we go T1 fits?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2013-12-09 16:37:56 UTC
[Punisher, Standard FW]
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Co-Processor I

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Prototype Cloaking Device I
Gatling Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency S
Gatling Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency S

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7 - 2013-12-09 16:56:01 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
you think coercer will be much better over cheap frigs if we go T1 fits?

I don't know, but it will let you hit out to point range with Scorch and that's never a bad thing.

Oh god.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#8 - 2013-12-09 16:59:06 UTC
can't use t2 guns :(
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-12-09 17:05:20 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
actually I got all destroyer skills (X Destroyer) on V.

was going to be extremely cheap on my fits to save some.

you think coercer will be much better over cheap frigs if we go T1 fits?


Start with the T1 frigs.

I don't fly amarr, but FW people generally say good things about the Tormenter and Executioner, so I'd start with those. Punisher has its uses, but they are far more limited.

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kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#10 - 2013-12-09 18:06:46 UTC
Meta fit Amarr ships are not very good, lasers require T2 to be competitive with anything really.

The change between T1/meta and T2 missiles/hybrids/proj is just a damage increase. The change between T1/meta and T2 lasers is like night and day, it changes so much.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#11 - 2013-12-09 18:28:40 UTC
I got pretty good missile skills, there is a way to fit amarr frigate with rockets?
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#12 - 2013-12-09 19:16:33 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
I got pretty good missile skills, there is a way to fit amarr frigate with rockets?


Not for t1 ships.

Amarr ships are fine for PVP, even with t1 guns (Though pulses do get a lot better with t2). For solo work, i'd look at a Tormentor or an Executioner, with beam lasers to hit out near scram range. These are going to end up being harder to fit and track worse than t2 pulses, but should be fine.

the Punisher is a fantastic ship, as long as you aren't alone. The lack of web hurts it a lot for solo work, but in a gang this is less important and its superior combination of damage, tank, and range makes it great.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#13 - 2013-12-09 19:23:11 UTC
t1 eanm uses too much cpu. If you can't fit a t2 eanm then use a t2 ANP. t1 eanm is okay if you really don't need the cpu, but i find you usually do need the cpu.
t2 damage control is also recommended.
use t2 guns.

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Artificial Memories
#14 - 2013-12-09 19:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Punisher is more a thing for fleet/gang-warfare, with only 2 mids and THAT amount of buffer.

For solostuff, better just get a huge pile of tormentors. On the upside, tormentors are very easy to fly, quite forgiving and amazing for sustained fights. Especially the fit Dato Koppla posted in the first reply to your OP. Given advanced fitting skills (weapon Upgrades V, Powergrid Mngmnt V and so on), you can replace the 200mm plate with a 400mm plate even.

Edit: If you want maximum bang for your buck, get an armorthrasher. (mine is 6.8mil last time I lost one)
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2013-12-09 21:26:26 UTC
Have a look at some of the loss mails for the FW pilots, people like dan carter murray, flyinghotpocket and company seem to do OK. I know dan may even help out if you send him a mail.. his responses are not as grumpy as his forum trolling Blink
I am sure there are others that will help out too.
I like the tormentor with an small ASB. but I am no a pro pvp'er, but is does allow for a scram,web and ab and some drones...
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-12-10 03:24:57 UTC
I'd train for T2 guns ASAP. They take 5-7 days, which is a lot for a new pilot, but they're incredibly useful.

Ever since I got T2 rockets trained, I've been getting SOLO kills in my Kestrel. The only two things that were T2 on my Kestrel were the rocket launchers and my BCU.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2013-12-10 04:00:19 UTC
It is kind of a roadblock for new players that the rule for Amarr in any PvP situation is "Get scorch or get out."

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
STSxLight
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#18 - 2014-01-05 11:37:29 UTC
Amarr t1 frigs are good at scram range kiting(keeping target at 7,5 8 km and shooting it) and mwd kiting.

Now to do that you need scorch for a very nice optimal range. This give a huge advantage as you hit perfect in scram range if you are scram range kiting or you hit nice in 20 km range with some TE (if you use the imp navy slicer or coercer). Without scorch you cant do this efectiv.

If you try to brawl you will find out tha lazors have bad tracking even with imperial navy multifreq and you need a good understanding of manual piloting to use them. You will see lazors strugle to hit a webed target in a close oribit even with perfect tracking skills.

As you are in FW most ships will be either kity with a MWD or ab+scram+web.

SO basicaly your only chance is to scram range kite or mwd kite.

Trust me i used to hate lazors but then i found scorch and i was amazed.

A lot of amarr ships are underestimated so you will get a lot of fights so get scorch you wont regret it.

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