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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#201 - 2014-01-04 11:05:01 UTC
It should not be changed until this current war is over. If CCP changes it during, screwing up one sides doctrine and benefiting the other things will go extremely badly for CCP I think.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#202 - 2014-01-04 11:08:20 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Andski wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
If CCP decides to "rebalance" drone assisting now, they're doing it because CFC can't win and realised it.
It will have nothing to do with game balance.


Actually, we'd rather see this war through and end your pitiful coalition's existence with drone assist intact so that you chaff won't bleat "we only lost because CCP intervened" until the end of time, but we can't predict what CCP will do!


Let me help you here Andski, what mittens wants, (drone nerf) he is likely to get, not because he deserves it, but because I have a horrible feeling that CCP may give in to him, as they may confuse what is good for the game overall with the supposed benefit of goon generated publicity for the game.

I sincerely hope I am wrong about this, and that CCP remember that whilst the goons are an important part of the game, they are not, and should not ever be bigger than the game.


This may come as a surprise to you but if CCP actually did our bidding the game would be a lot different than it is now.
For example PBLRD wouldn't need to exist at all, which would make a lot of Goons rather happy.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#203 - 2014-01-04 11:08:29 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
It should not be changed until this current war is over. If CCP changes it during, screwing up one sides doctrine and benefiting the other things will go extremely badly for CCP I think.


both sides are currently reliant on drone assist doctrines but thank you for your obviously well-informed commentary on a war you're not a participant in

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#204 - 2014-01-04 11:09:24 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Let me help you here Andski, what mittens wants, (drone nerf) he is likely to get, not because he deserves it, but because I have a horrible feeling that CCP may give in to him, as they may confuse what is good for the game overall with the supposed benefit of goon generated publicity for the game.

I sincerely hope I am wrong about this, and that CCP remember that whilst the goons are an important part of the game, they are not, and should not ever be bigger than the game.



drone assist is good for the game in the following ways:

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2014-01-04 11:11:34 UTC
Ask Grath even he'll probably tell you a drone assist nerf will hurt our Domi and Prophecy doctrines more than their Miley Cyrus-inspired doctrine of absolute win against everything subcapital ever.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Josef Djugashvilis
#206 - 2014-01-04 11:13:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Let me help you here Andski, what mittens wants, (drone nerf) he is likely to get, not because he deserves it, but because I have a horrible feeling that CCP may give in to him, as they may confuse what is good for the game overall with the supposed benefit of goon generated publicity for the game.

I sincerely hope I am wrong about this, and that CCP remember that whilst the goons are an important part of the game, they are not, and should not ever be bigger than the game.



drone assist is good for the game in the following ways:


Well it seems to be able to wallop you guys Smile

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2014-01-04 11:14:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Which would only be a fair request when you first show how f.e. N3 is doing precisely that.
- Begging not to nerf.
- Possible target of nerf is utterly broken.

See, what you're doing here is begging mommy CCP to hold your hands, and when we point that out you tell us we're crying.
Sorry dude, you'll have to try harder.

Smile


We are doing the exact same thing we did with tech goo.

Something is broken and needs to be fixed, whining would be making a rage thread to nerf badgers because one killed my dramiel.

You lost a dramiel to a badger?

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#208 - 2014-01-04 11:15:32 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Well it seems to be able to wallop you guys Smile

Wouldn't exactly be overpowered if it wasn't.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#209 - 2014-01-04 11:17:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
It should not be changed until this current war is over. If CCP changes it during, screwing up one sides doctrine and benefiting the other things will go extremely badly for CCP I think.


both sides are currently reliant on drone assist doctrines but thank you for your obviously well-informed commentary on a war you're not a participant in

We don't believe you. I have 20 alts and 10 mains, I see quite a lot from both sides of many fences.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#210 - 2014-01-04 11:18:31 UTC
What should be considered balanced and fair in space pvp? No one uses missiles, nerf drones, the only weapons people want to be useful are projectile and hybrid and lasers, nerf electronic warfare, and make every gun do the 1 damage, remove armor tanking & buff hull reps.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#211 - 2014-01-04 11:23:25 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Andski wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
It should not be changed until this current war is over. If CCP changes it during, screwing up one sides doctrine and benefiting the other things will go extremely badly for CCP I think.


both sides are currently reliant on drone assist doctrines but thank you for your obviously well-informed commentary on a war you're not a participant in

We don't believe you. I have 20 alts and 10 mains, I see quite a lot from both sides of many fences.


you do, like everybody else on these forums with delusions of grandeur

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Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#212 - 2014-01-04 11:30:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
Which would only be a fair request when you first show how f.e. N3 is doing precisely that.
- Begging not to nerf.
- Possible target of nerf is utterly broken.

See, what you're doing here is begging mommy CCP to hold your hands, and when we point that out you tell us we're crying.
Sorry dude, you'll have to try harder.

Smile


We are doing the exact same thing we did with tech goo.

Something is broken and needs to be fixed, whining would be making a rage thread to nerf badgers because one killed my dramiel.
You're not doing the same. Let me show you:
- CFC was in control of a large part (And after Tenal IIRC a majority) of tech moons. You used these tech moons to the fine line between use and abuse, while you (Along with anyone else who knew about it) every so often reminded CCP that it was a mistake that the bottleneck was as it was. You also invited anyone who wanted wealth better distributed across regions (With regards to truesec etc) to come and take your moons.
You were able to point out how the moon balance was broken (Or at least incredibly bad), and when the change went through it didn't even look that much like hypocrisy because you were in control of them. Afterwards of course the moon nerf was a catastrophe, but now you're all happy and on board with renting, right?
- What is happening right now is that CFC is bashing your collective heads against a wall of carriers. It's a problem you know at least 4 possible solutions to (LR dreads, titans, bombing drones continuously, and not being on grid with them - possibly many more), at least one of which you have set into motion. You then take to the forums to get your enemy nerfed, providing shoddy arguments.
No, you're not doing the same you did with tech.

Rather, you're doing what non-tech holders sometimes did, stating that tech moons were isk faucets and ISK = victory in the field (The first is wrong and the second is only a strong tendency). In other words, being wrong in a very wet manner.
Apocryphal Noise
Close Encounters of the EVE Kind
Goonswarm Federation
#213 - 2014-01-04 11:39:14 UTC
goons: controlling your game since 2006 bahahaha
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#214 - 2014-01-04 11:54:58 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:
You're not doing the same. Let me show you:
- CFC was in control of a large part (And after Tenal IIRC a majority) of tech moons. You used these tech moons to the fine line between use and abuse, while you (Along with anyone else who knew about it) every so often reminded CCP that it was a mistake that the bottleneck was as it was. You also invited anyone who wanted wealth better distributed across regions (With regards to truesec etc) to come and take your moons.
You were able to point out how the moon balance was broken (Or at least incredibly bad), and when the change went through it didn't even look that much like hypocrisy because you were in control of them. Afterwards of course the moon nerf was a catastrophe, but now you're all happy and on board with renting, right?
- What is happening right now is that CFC is bashing your collective heads against a wall of carriers. It's a problem you know at least 4 possible solutions to (LR dreads, titans, bombing drones continuously, and not being on grid with them - possibly many more), at least one of which you have set into motion. You then take to the forums to get your enemy nerfed, providing shoddy arguments.
No, you're not doing the same you did with tech.

Rather, you're doing what non-tech holders sometimes did, stating that tech moons were isk faucets and ISK = victory in the field (The first is wrong and the second is only a strong tendency). In other words, being wrong in a very wet manner.


We never said tech moons were an isk faucet. We said that having the most important and biggest isk making moons in just one part of space was unbalanced. We have been saying this since BoB was in command of fortress delve and long before CCP made tech the spice of EVE.

We have seen at least five capital nerfs due to them being too powerful, each time they rendered subcaps useless. The current archon fleets tick every box that forced CCP to nerf those old capital fleets. Drone assist coupled with the huge buffer and remote reps of capital ships have once again brought about an invincible capital fleet which can only be countered by even more capitals.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#215 - 2014-01-04 12:04:34 UTC
So it's only imbalanced if the person abusing it the most is the one saying it's imbalanced.
Right...

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#216 - 2014-01-04 12:23:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We never said tech moons were an isk faucet. We said that having the most important and biggest isk making moons in just one part of space was unbalanced. We have been saying this since BoB was in command of fortress delve and long before CCP made tech the spice of EVE.
Check out the part you quoted, don't play stupid.
Quote:
Rather, you're doing what non-tech holders sometimes did, stating that tech moons were isk faucets and ISK = victory in the field (The first is wrong and the second is only a strong tendency). In other words, being wrong in a very wet manner.
I didn't say you did this, I'm saying that your current actions are equivalent to this.

Quote:
We have seen at least five capital nerfs due to them being too powerful, each time they rendered subcaps useless. The current archon fleets tick every box that forced CCP to nerf those old capital fleets. Drone assist coupled with the huge buffer and remote reps of capital ships have once again brought about an invincible capital fleet which can only be countered by even more capitals.
Sub capitals aren't obsolete or useless.
There, done.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#217 - 2014-01-04 12:28:14 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
So it's only imbalanced if the person abusing it the most is the one saying it's imbalanced.
Right...
Look, if you really think so I can't stop you, but I can at ignore you.
I don't know why you suddenly do think so, since you have spent a number of pages saying the direct opposite.

Yes, I know you tried sarcasm, but what you got wasn't that, it was trying to pin opinions on me that I don't have.
That's can be a penis move, but in this case it just shows you as an intercourse-tard.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#218 - 2014-01-04 12:30:33 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
You're not doing the same. Let me show you:
- CFC was in control of a large part (And after Tenal IIRC a majority) of tech moons. You used these tech moons to the fine line between use and abuse, while you (Along with anyone else who knew about it) every so often reminded CCP that it was a mistake that the bottleneck was as it was. You also invited anyone who wanted wealth better distributed across regions (With regards to truesec etc) to come and take your moons.
You were able to point out how the moon balance was broken (Or at least incredibly bad), and when the change went through it didn't even look that much like hypocrisy because you were in control of them. Afterwards of course the moon nerf was a catastrophe, but now you're all happy and on board with renting, right?
- What is happening right now is that CFC is bashing your collective heads against a wall of carriers. It's a problem you know at least 4 possible solutions to (LR dreads, titans, bombing drones continuously, and not being on grid with them - possibly many more), at least one of which you have set into motion. You then take to the forums to get your enemy nerfed, providing shoddy arguments.
No, you're not doing the same you did with tech.

Rather, you're doing what non-tech holders sometimes did, stating that tech moons were isk faucets and ISK = victory in the field (The first is wrong and the second is only a strong tendency). In other words, being wrong in a very wet manner.


We never said tech moons were an isk faucet. We said that having the most important and biggest isk making moons in just one part of space was unbalanced. We have been saying this since BoB was in command of fortress delve and long before CCP made tech the spice of EVE.

We have seen at least five capital nerfs due to them being too powerful, each time they rendered subcaps useless. The current archon fleets tick every box that forced CCP to nerf those old capital fleets. Drone assist coupled with the huge buffer and remote reps of capital ships have once again brought about an invincible capital fleet which can only be countered by even more capitals.


So counter them with capitals? Oh wait you don't have them trained. So train them and stop whining....? Although I agree with nerfing drone assist. You started a war knowing all this, its not going as well as you hoped, asking for nerfs now so it can go as well as you hoped is pretty much asking CCP to let you win. Finish what you started, or leave for now, get the assist nerf you want and then start it up again.

Stop being babies?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#219 - 2014-01-04 13:04:49 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:

You lost a dramiel to a badger?


I refer to a hilarious ragethread by Emo TJ several years ago when drams were very overpowered.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#220 - 2014-01-04 13:10:53 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

So counter them with capitals? Oh wait you don't have them trained. So train them and stop whining....? Although I agree with nerfing drone assist. You started a war knowing all this, its not going as well as you hoped, asking for nerfs now so it can go as well as you hoped is pretty much asking CCP to let you win. Finish what you started, or leave for now, get the assist nerf you want and then start it up again.

Stop being babies?


You just highlighted the very problem we have been pointing out. A capital fleet that can only be countered with another capital fleet.

CCP do not want capitals online. We have been down this road at least five times now and each time CCP nerfed capitals to stop them from being invincible vs subcaps.