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A way to stop noob harrasment
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NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#1 - 2011-11-23 14:57:18 UTC
Ok, i love to PVP and i know there is an issue with us PVPERS harassing noobs.

Now i have an idea that will kind of deter pvpers from war-decking and harassing noob corps which will result in less players rage quiting and more targets for the future.

Simple add character ages to killmails so an overal score can be given on killboards etc.

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Bernard Schuyler
Thundererz
#2 - 2011-11-23 15:04:30 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Ok, i love to PVP and i know there is an issue with us PVPERS harassing noobs.

Now i have an idea that will kind of deter pvpers from war-decking and harassing noob corps which will result in less players rage quiting and more targets for the future.

Simple add character ages to killmails so an overal score can be given on killboards etc.


This is pretty much covered by Noobships being hardly "worth" anything on KBs, no?

Age itself is not a reliable indicator. You can have an "old" character with hardly any SP because he sat as an unloved Cyno Alt for 4 years, while that couple of month old noob is at least properly skilled for that ship he is flying.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-23 15:05:51 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Ok, i love to PVP and i know there is an issue with us PVPERS harassing noobs.

Now i have an idea that will kind of deter pvpers from war-decking and harassing noob corps which will result in less players rage quiting and more targets for the future.

Simple add character ages to killmails so an overal score can be given on killboards etc.


to avoid noobs getting harassed by war decs just stay in the npc noob corp...problem solved

Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#4 - 2011-11-23 15:17:31 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Ok, i love to PVP and i know there is an issue with us PVPERS harassing noobs.

Now i have an idea that will kind of deter pvpers from war-decking and harassing noob corps which will result in less players rage quiting and more targets for the future.

Simple add character ages to killmails so an overal score can be given on killboards etc.


to avoid noobs getting harassed by war decs just stay in the npc noob corp...problem solved


NPC corp mean = player quit
And with that method its easier said than done, i've experienced it my self.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-23 15:18:25 UTC
I think you are confusing griefers with pvpers. Griefers are people who get their kicks by making other ppl miserable. PVP simply want to fight.

Griefers do not care about the value of a ship or the age of a player for the most part. The only way to combat these people is for CCP to change game mechanics so that there are consequences for the actions of griefers or for the griefers to realise how pathetic their lives are.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2011-11-23 15:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Rek Seven wrote:

Griefers do not care about the value of a ship or the age of a player for the most part. The only way to combat these people is for CCP to change game mechanics so that there are consequences for the actions of griefers or for the griefers to realise how pathetic their lives are.

No need to change the mechanics. Griefing and harassment isn't allowed in EVE and griefers and harassers — if reported — get banned, especially if they go after new players. You can't realy provide more consequences than that.
NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#7 - 2011-11-23 15:34:01 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
I think you are confusing griefers with pvpers. Griefers are people who get their kicks by making other ppl miserable. PVP simply want to fight.

Griefers do not care about the value of a ship or the age of a player for the most part. The only way to combat these people is for CCP to change game mechanics so that there are consequences for the actions of griefers or for the griefers to realise how pathetic their lives are.


I think your right m8,
I been playing for nearly 5 years on and off, i started a corp and filled it with noobs as they are easy to recruit; them being great people especially on team speak and wanted to get into EVE BUT couldn't.

They cannot really experience EVE in an NPCorps and in a player corp, they make friends in the corp have a laugh do group things like mining etc then a greifer corp comes a long, the new guys try and wait it out but end up quitting because they haven't experienced things long enough to understand and have already made those first bonds with other players so they quit over it.

If CCP want to increase numbers they need to address this problem and add more game content and stop messing around with MT.

I have done this with a quite a few corps over the past 5 years and i think i am experienced enough to say this is a problem.

Corps i made in order:
Modro
Limestar
KagedFury
StarHug

And a few others, all reaching over 200 new players each with an activity of about 40 online.

Anyways end of rant lol.

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NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#8 - 2011-11-23 15:34:32 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
Tippia wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:

Griefers do not care about the value of a ship or the age of a player for the most part. The only way to combat these people is for CCP to change game mechanics so that there are consequences for the actions of griefers or for the griefers to realise how pathetic their lives are.

No need to change the mechanics. Griefing and harassment isn't allowed in EVE and griefers and harassers — if reported — get banned, especially if they go after new players. You can't realy provide more consequences than that.


This isn't true.
We were wardecked for at least 7 weeks constantly by greifers we petitioned it and CCP said nothing can be done,
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/StarHug/stats/2011-01-20:2011-06-23

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#9 - 2011-11-23 16:09:18 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:

Griefers do not care about the value of a ship or the age of a player for the most part. The only way to combat these people is for CCP to change game mechanics so that there are consequences for the actions of griefers or for the griefers to realise how pathetic their lives are.

No need to change the mechanics. Griefing and harassment isn't allowed in EVE and griefers and harassers — if reported — get banned, especially if they go after new players. You can't realy provide more consequences than that.


This isn't true.
We were wardecked for at least 7 weeks constantly by greifers we petitioned it and CCP said nothing can be done,
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/StarHug/stats/2011-01-20:2011-06-23


Uh? In case you havent heard -- thats not griefing -- its "War" and its an accepted part of the game mechanics. You should know that the way things currently stand -- all wars are consensual as wars are easily avoided. The fact that you chose not to avoid the war is solely on you and your corp mates. And, it is no use complaining that you didnt know how to go about avoiding the war -- playing eve successfully is all about the acquisition of knowledge -- that you and your corpmates didnt bother to learn how to avoid the war is totally on you.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#10 - 2011-11-23 16:12:46 UTC
how will age based km scores matter when people are willing to hotdrop an afk pod for the KM

especially now that implants will be on the mail
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-23 16:14:07 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Ok, i love to PVP and i know there is an issue with us PVPERS harassing noobs.

Now i have an idea that will kind of deter pvpers from war-decking and harassing noob corps which will result in less players rage quiting and more targets for the future.

Simple add character ages to killmails so an overal score can be given on killboards etc.


While I am aware that bashing on players weaker than yourself is part of EVE - your suggestion is an interesting one in that it does not in fact touch on any game mechanic but just influences the meta-game of seeing who has the shiniest epeen... Interesting, but don't hold your breath.
NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#12 - 2011-11-23 16:16:55 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:

Griefers do not care about the value of a ship or the age of a player for the most part. The only way to combat these people is for CCP to change game mechanics so that there are consequences for the actions of griefers or for the griefers to realise how pathetic their lives are.

No need to change the mechanics. Griefing and harassment isn't allowed in EVE and griefers and harassers — if reported — get banned, especially if they go after new players. You can't realy provide more consequences than that.


This isn't true.
We were wardecked for at least 7 weeks constantly by greifers we petitioned it and CCP said nothing can be done,
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/StarHug/stats/2011-01-20:2011-06-23


Uh? In case you havent heard -- thats not griefing -- its "War" and its an accepted part of the game mechanics. You should know that the way things currently stand -- all wars are consensual as wars are easily avoided. The fact that you chose not to avoid the war is solely on you and your corp mates. And, it is no use complaining that you didnt know how to go about avoiding the war -- playing eve successfully is all about the acquisition of knowledge -- that you and your corpmates didnt bother to learn how to avoid the war is totally on you.


Yes and no m8, i forgot to mention the bit where the corp did go into NPC corps and then the grefiers started harassing them in the mission areas, until the corp name was removed.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2011-11-23 16:32:36 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
This isn't true.
Which part?
Quote:
We were wardecked for at least 7 weeks constantly by greifers we petitioned it and CCP said nothing can be done,
How were they griefing you?
Quote:
Yes and no m8, i forgot to mention the bit where the corp did go into NPC corps and then the grefiers started harassing them in the mission areas, until the corp name was removed.
Harassing how, and what do you mean by “until the corp name was removed”? Which name, from where?
NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#14 - 2011-11-23 17:08:43 UTC
This is going of topic a little but here i go since you sound like a nice person.

Tippia wrote:
Which part?


Pretty much all of what you said, the harassment we encountered was allowed after petitions from all our corp, even other pirate corps that were helping us said it was harassment.

Tippia wrote:
How were they griefing you?


Well they were blowing up our **** and asking for 20 billion isk ransoms or remove the corp name or the war will continue. I guess they didn't like the name 'StarHug'.

So about 5 weeks into the war we decided to just ship into an NPC for a while, i stayed in the corp. Anyways because the corp name still existed the war targets started ganking the starhug that were now in the NPcorp in their mission areas etc

We joined alliances and we were kicked from the alliances because they didn't want the war deck.

Tippia wrote:
Harassing how, and what do you mean by “until the corp name was removed”? Which name, from where?


As said above.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#15 - 2011-11-23 17:33:27 UTC
Tippia in vacuous nitpicking and snide irrelevance shocker.

INB4 "how so", "why" and generally completely trying to miss the point.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Armtoe
Arton Yachting and Angling Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#16 - 2011-11-23 17:34:35 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
This is going of topic a little but here i go since you sound like a nice person.

Tippia wrote:
Which part?


Pretty much all of what you said, the harassment we encountered was allowed after petitions from all our corp, even other pirate corps that were helping us said it was harassment.

Tippia wrote:
How were they griefing you?


Well they were blowing up our **** and asking for 20 billion isk ransoms or remove the corp name or the war will continue. I guess they didn't like the name 'StarHug'.

So about 5 weeks into the war we decided to just ship into an NPC for a while, i stayed in the corp. Anyways because the corp name still existed the war targets started ganking the starhug that were now in the NPcorp in their mission areas etc

We joined alliances and we were kicked from the alliances because they didn't want the war deck.

Tippia wrote:
Harassing how, and what do you mean by “until the corp name was removed”? Which name, from where?


As said above.


Assuming what you say is true, what you and your mates experienced is still not grifing -- the only way they could get your corpmates who joined the NPC corps in "mission areas" would be if (1) those mission areas were in low/null sec, (2) your mates shot at folk who stole from their wrecks (for empire missions), or (3) they were suicided (again for empire missions). In each of these cases your mates have only themselves to blame if they died, as all such deaths are preventable.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-11-23 17:58:21 UTC
Armtoe wrote:
Assuming what you say is true, what you and your mates experienced is still not grifing -- the only way they could get your corpmates who joined the NPC corps in "mission areas" would be if (1) those mission areas were in low/null sec, (2) your mates shot at folk who stole from their wrecks (for empire missions), or (3) they were suicided (again for empire missions). In each of these cases your mates have only themselves to blame if they died, as all such deaths are preventable.


Armtoe is a funny name. ^^

And yeah, it's not griefing or harrassing ... it's EvE.

They play it and you have to play it how they want to play it.

If you want to play in some other way, you have to find a way to do it.
Be smart about it, or fight back.

Calling for "help" doesn't really help at all,
except if your call contains ISK.
NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#18 - 2011-11-23 18:05:59 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Armtoe wrote:
Assuming what you say is true, what you and your mates experienced is still not grifing -- the only way they could get your corpmates who joined the NPC corps in "mission areas" would be if (1) those mission areas were in low/null sec, (2) your mates shot at folk who stole from their wrecks (for empire missions), or (3) they were suicided (again for empire missions). In each of these cases your mates have only themselves to blame if they died, as all such deaths are preventable.


Armtoe is a funny name. ^^

And yeah, it's not griefing or harrassing ... it's EvE.

They play it and you have to play it how they want to play it.

If you want to play in some other way, you have to find a way to do it.
Be smart about it, or fight back.

Calling for "help" doesn't really help at all,
except if your call contains ISK.


This is true, because it Is within game mechanics it's not a harassment... this is why CCP should do something for those new players to beef up the player base.

Look at it from a new players point of view.

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Jake McCord
Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service
#19 - 2011-11-23 18:06:24 UTC
Griefing and war are two different things. If they harrassed former corp members, that could be griefing. But if they went after current corp members, with a wardec in place. Hey, crap happens.

When I first started a corp, my intention was to be a one man operation. Next thing I know, I have 2 noobs in it. They got can flipped when I wasn't online. Then their ships were blown up when they tried filpping the stuff back. They got pissed, smack talked the other people in local chat. Next thing I know, I got a wardec on my hands.

We were just a little 3 man corp, and I was the only one with ANY PvP experience. I ended up tracking down the other corps miners, snuck up on them in my Loki, and basically let them know, that I could put a serious crimp in their mining ops if I felt like it. The wardec disappeared 2 days later.

When my corp got bigger, we got wardecced again. This time the people who came after us were much more serious. Using an Alt, I created another corp, and all but one of us went to that one, and continued our operations, most of the people in my corp were miners.

When they other corp found out, they started bitching and moaning, claiming WE were breaking the rules. I asked them, show me where it says you can't leave a corp when it's been wardecced. I simply informed them, if they were going to keep that up, we'd keep jumping corps, creating a new one as it was needed. They said they'd petition me. I told them to go ahead.

They went away. :)

The trick is to have more resolve than your tormentors. Eventually they'll get tired and go find someone easier to push around.

They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! Did I mention, I used to live in Chicago?
NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#20 - 2011-11-23 18:10:33 UTC
Jake McCord wrote:
Griefing and war are two different things. If they harrassed former corp members, that could be griefing. But if they went after current corp members, with a wardec in place. Hey, crap happens.

When I first started a corp, my intention was to be a one man operation. Next thing I know, I have 2 noobs in it. They got can flipped when I wasn't online. Then their ships were blown up when they tried filpping the stuff back. They got pissed, smack talked the other people in local chat. Next thing I know, I got a wardec on my hands.

We were just a little 3 man corp, and I was the only one with ANY PvP experience. I ended up tracking down the other corps miners, snuck up on them in my Loki, and basically let them know, that I could put a serious crimp in their mining ops if I felt like it. The wardec disappeared 2 days later.

When my corp got bigger, we got wardecced again. This time the people who came after us were much more serious. Using an Alt, I created another corp, and all but one of us went to that one, and continued our operations, most of the people in my corp were miners.

When they other corp found out, they started bitching and moaning, claiming WE were breaking the rules. I asked them, show me where it says you can't leave a corp when it's been wardecced. I simply informed them, if they were going to keep that up, we'd keep jumping corps, creating a new one as it was needed. They said they'd petition me. I told them to go ahead.

They went away. :)

The trick is to have more resolve than your tormentors. Eventually they'll get tired and go find someone easier to push around.


Yep yep you are right.
But look at it from a new players point of view or a corp run by new players from another game.
They will not understand and will quit.

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