Crime & Punishment

Jenn, I'm not really disagreeing with anything you're saying per se. I'm just trying to draw attention to the hypocrisy and double standard promoted by many our more "hardcore" players. These people lecture carebears on risk, implying that they're brave risk takers themselves. In reality, many of these same players have learned to be "successful" by consistently putting nearly NOTHING on the line. What does this guy have to lose? His covops? Please.

Playing Eve by the rules makes you a sociopath, just as playing chess makes you a murderer. It all makes perfect sense.

You must be new here. Welcome to Eve.

Oh yea, the explanation. Because they decide they would prefer players to not have the chance at moaning about that, as well as everything else they b*tch and moan about? I mean here we are talking about people playing by the games rules, being labelled sociopaths and you question why?

Also, you kids, in addition to having no decent arguments to support the ability of others to steal mission required items, are still failing to comprehend the fact that people are going to have to be aware of all the nuances of this specific COSMOS mission in order to defend against people who are in the system 24/7, assuming the ever-present alts for some reason give up on trying to find you before downtime. They would have to know the rewards and know that they wouldn't be able to reset the mission and try again, like you can in most mission. That you get one chance at the item and that you can't reset it on downtime. People aren't going to be aware of these nuances until it happens to them or they happen to read about it on the forums somehow, and that is one more reason why griefers will take advantage of it and why it needs to go or at least come with a warning attached that players will try to steal it or destroy it. First of all, why should the game reward sociopaths who prey on others lack of knowledge with zero risk to themselves while the victim is punished so severely?

How do you think a newer player, who played the game casually and was building their standings slowly, doing cosmos missions casually without researching every little thing about each one them first, would feel if they got ****** over like that because of some mundane mechanic that is of no benefit to the game whatsoever? A zero risk, low investment venture out of someone who is likely to be a sociopath effectively robs the culmination of reward of what was likely countless hours spent raising standings.

A sociopath is naturally going to defend their environment they have been drawn to, but the rest of you defending this imbalanced mechanic are only hurting your own game.

Conversely, constantly putting T2 ships and capitals on the line for the sake of good fights and good times has a tendency to harden you up in such a way that the gripes of carebears become an irksome and tiresome "fingernails on the chalkboard" annoyance that doesn't go down particularly well. The only double standard here is the expectation of safety in an environment geared specifically to be unsafe, regardless of what you do.

The inability to accept this and compensate for it speaks ultimately to a certain level of intellectual bankruptcy; an inability to accept that there are a million and one games out there where such gripes would be welcomed and accepted and even acted upon, whereas here they are seen as challenges to a long-established and well-loved status quo.

Screw a like button, this forum needs a "preach it, brother *high fives*" button. lol

From time to time I mention another game I play (Star Trek Online) and how the very design of the game is that of the standard "traditional" mmo, ie no non-consensual pvp, no 'griefing' of any kind allowed, a joke for a death penalty and so on. It's a good game in and of itself for when you just want to be left alone to play a game.

And the 'bears' of EVE screaming to be left alone in New Eden HATE STO and games like it (event hough STO was supposed to kill EVE, it was the Star Citizen of 4 years ago). They're like people who are allergic to seawater who could be partying on the dry land of the beach but who instead choose to go swimming just so they can complain to God/mothernature/whoever about how unbalanced and itchy seawater is. The 'bear' is in this case someone who wants to have their cake (EVE) and eat it to (have EVE act like a non-EVE game).

It's pure crazy to me, people jump on me when I tell people like this that the problem isn't EVE it's them, but that's just how I see it.

Everyone is subject to their own perspective, but often these perspectives do not take into account stark realities. As we have seen in this thread, there is a genuine (yes, genuine) section of EVE's player base that are (and have always been) unhappy with what they perceive to be the "exploitability" of this game's most basic principle, which is that there is no such thing as a "safe" environment other than being in a station and doing literally nothing. A friend lost a nice, fat mission ship last night. Did he cry about it? No. He got ganked. **** happens. That's EVE. Piracy, double-crossing, lying, murder, it's all par for the course here. And yet, we still have all these people pretending that they're playing a different game which is somehow broken. Crushing people isn't just made possible by the game's mechanics, rather, it is (to a degree) encouraged. And those who are victimized are likewise encouraged to compensate.


If this is the best you've got, I'd check out now.

Feel free to chime in with something intelligent whenever you're up to it.

These narrow minded clowns can't see any other perspective than their own. They actually think this is a game where disadvantaged sheep are meant to be lined up to slaughter for them at the click of a button.

Oh I agree and was in fact being sarcastic. (In case you missed it.)

I too find it utterly ridiculous that people call those playing a game as it was designed to be played, "sociopaths".
I'm glad you agree.