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Someone stole my Wei Todaki. What can I do about this?

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Arec Bardwin
#21 - 2013-12-29 21:28:47 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
yes it was that Princess Achaja person. I see now he hangs out in Otomainen everyday waiting for people to do the mission so he can steal it with his friends.
You wouldn't happen to have the names of the other participants? Just curious.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-12-29 22:08:20 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
yes it was that Princess Achaja person. I see now he hangs out in Otomainen everyday waiting for people to do the mission so he can steal it with his friends.
You wouldn't happen to have the names of the other participants? Just curious.


King, Queen and Prince Achaja :)

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Shadow Preldent
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
#23 - 2013-12-30 02:56:14 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
So I was doing a Caldari COSMOS mission in Otomainen and suddenly 5 guys are next to me blowing stuff up and I get a message telling me that they are going to steal the item I need to complete my mission. With 5 of them they did manage to loot the mission item before me. I need this item to continue my mission chain. The lowest price is 500 million in contracts for the item so I don't really want to have to buy it.

Is there anyway I could reset my mission or something? Someone suggested I wait till downtime and do the mission again but someone else told me that I couldn't get the item again. Are there missions that won't reset on downtime if someone steals your item? What can I do about this? The mission is Lost love - Wei Todaki




Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#24 - 2013-12-30 11:40:57 UTC
Shadow Preldent wrote:

Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.


So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.

That seems fair to you?

I think fair is getting the mission changed so the item is dropped in cargo by the agent (or whatever magical fairy concoction needed to pay the suspension of disbelief) when it completes, either in the field or back at the agents location. If they want to steal loot there are plenty of wrecks left in system, they can have their pick. But mission specific items (particularly Cosmos) should be locked so only the mission accepting pilot can acquire them.

Leave the race for loot in anomalies, and out of standings related mission chains.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-12-30 16:02:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Goldiiee wrote:
Shadow Preldent wrote:

Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.


So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.

That seems fair to you?

I think fair is getting the mission changed so the item is dropped in cargo by the agent (or whatever magical fairy concoction needed to pay the suspension of disbelief) when it completes, either in the field or back at the agents location. If they want to steal loot there are plenty of wrecks left in system, they can have their pick. But mission specific items (particularly Cosmos) should be locked so only the mission accepting pilot can acquire them.

Leave the race for loot in anomalies, and out of standings related mission chains.


It does seem kind of unfair someone can **** on you so easily after all that hard work you have put in, not to mention screw you over for the rest of you COSMOS chain(s). Honestly, I have been waiting over a year to do that mission because I knew it was hard and I knew I would need high skills to do it. Nobody had ever stole my mission items before, I didn't even know people could do that before now. Fortunately a GM was understanding and reset the mission for me, but had he not, I would have had a very poor opinion of this game.

His response also included this: {Redacted. Posting GM communication is not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith}


If you want names, main perpetrators I saw. These are the ones trying to sell Wei Todaki in contracts.
Princess Achaja (alt in system all day)
Princess Finena
NaiX Scandal


Others I remember seeing in my mission trying to steal it. RUSSBOY, MinNet
associates: Galigor, Farkoth, Ragnar D IX. possibly Anotherla(alt in system)
Shadow Preldent
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
#26 - 2013-12-30 18:34:51 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:


So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.

That seems fair to you?

I think fair is getting the mission changed so the item is dropped in cargo by the agent (or whatever magical fairy concoction needed to pay the suspension of disbelief) when it completes, either in the field or back at the agents location. If they want to steal loot there are plenty of wrecks left in system, they can have their pick. But mission specific items (particularly Cosmos) should be locked so only the mission accepting pilot can acquire them.

Leave the race for loot in anomalies, and out of standings related mission chains.


When I log onto Eve I don't expect anything to be fair.
If Princess took Wei from you and just destroyed her then you might have a case for griefing.

As it is, you still make 700 Million out of the mission which still makes it a very profitable mission for you.
If you don't want to pay the 500 Million then break out your combat probes and steal someone elses.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#27 - 2013-12-30 18:44:38 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Shadow Preldent wrote:

Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.


So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.

That seems fair to you?


Its not about whats fair, its about what action you can take that's in your best interest.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

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Shadow Preldent
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
#28 - 2013-12-30 19:37:24 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Shadow Preldent wrote:

Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.


So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.

That seems fair to you?


Its not about whats fair, its about what action you can take that's in your best interest.



I've run this mission 20+ times, I've run into Princess many times (both as a friend and as an enemy).

You have many options . . .
1) Don't let them find you
2) Beat them to the mission goal
3) Pay them off before hand so they leave you alone
4) Pay the ransom that is 40% of your mission reward
5) Steal someone else's
6) Think of another option for yourself

Eve is a multiplayer game. That is what makes it fun. Sometimes that means you have to interact with other people. If they know more/bring more friends, then they are going to have the advantage over you.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-12-31 02:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Shadow Preldent wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Goldiiee wrote:
Shadow Preldent wrote:

Have you considered paying off the pirate. She is only asking for 500 mil and the loot is worth 1.3 billion. Seems like a fair trade to me.


So for doing absolutely nothing but steal the loot in a situation created so the guy that has been grinding standings and accomplishing more and more difficult missions has no chance whatsoever to get to the loot first, and the result of refusing to pay the extortion and failing the mission is a very hard standings hit, and a loss of the rest of the mission chain.

That seems fair to you?


Its not about whats fair, its about what action you can take that's in your best interest.



I've run this mission 20+ times, I've run into Princess many times (both as a friend and as an enemy).

You have many options . . .
1) Don't let them find you
2) Beat them to the mission goal
3) Pay them off before hand so they leave you alone
4) Pay the ransom that is 40% of your mission reward
5) Steal someone else's
6) Think of another option for yourself

Eve is a multiplayer game. That is what makes it fun. Sometimes that means you have to interact with other people. If they know more/bring more friends, then they are going to have the advantage over you.


Very good, it is a multiplayer game, and multiplayer games are founded on fairness, otherwise no one would play them. Why do you think mining barges got buffed to resist ganking? I know there is a common, knee-jerk reaction to suggest that all problems are not problems and can be solved with in-game solutions, but first ask yourself. How does the ability for alts in npc corporations stealing/blowing up your COSMOS required mission items enchance the game? How would it hurt the game if pirates were unable to screw other players over so easily by merely stealing/destroying their required mission items?

If the pirate fails to win this conflict, they might lose a shuttle and the time it took to scan you down on their alt. If you fail to win this conflict, you take massive standing hit, potential enormous time investment out the window from building standing just for this purpose, and discontinuation of your COSMOS chain and loss of profits.

Your unrealistic and unreasonable suggestions are in ignorance of the issue that most people aren't going to be aware that other people can and will try to steal their mission items until it happens to them on this mission, as other mission items aren't worth stealing. Hopefully CCP will make it so people cannot steal your COSMOS mission items in the future, or at least give a warning attached to it that other players will be able to steal the items from you with no chance of obtaining another one. The thing with some COSMOS missions that differs from normal missions, and the Wei Todaki in particular, is that you cannot reset the mission on downtime and have another chance to acquire the item. You can effectively be cut off from experiencing PVE storyline content, denied rewards and punished severely in standings just because someone felt like being an ass and blew up your required mission item. Fortunately a GM rightly saw this as unfair and reset the mission for me. Usually, these poorly thought out design flaws get fixed over time after more people complain about them.

These things are never considered problem until more people start doing it. Look what happened to miner ganking. There were people defending that too with all kind of ridiculous suggestions of what people could do to combat what was child's play on the part of the pirate.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#30 - 2013-12-31 16:43:38 UTC
If you really want to get back at these guys, then you will need to fleet up with some guys in PVP ships. Have them sit at a safe until the griefers come on field. Once on field, they warp to you. To keep him from warping out after he takes the loot, stay on him like white on rice and keep bumping him until he turns red and one of your fleetmates can point him. It will take a little skill at manual pilotting to keep him out of warp alignment while bumping him, but it can be done.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-12-31 17:11:10 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Very good, it is a multiplayer game, and multiplayer games are founded on fairness, otherwise no one would play them.


EvE is not like other multiplayer games, and it's not fair. When you playing like a foolish careless carebear, who think nothing bad can happen because you are in hi-sec, you are going to be punished by players smarter then you.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Maxor Swift
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-12-31 18:59:38 UTC
dexington wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Very good, it is a multiplayer game, and multiplayer games are founded on fairness, otherwise no one would play them.


EvE is not like other multiplayer games, and it's not fair. When you playing like a foolish careless carebear, who think nothing bad can happen because you are in hi-sec, you are going to be punished by players smarter then you.


And real world or EVE online, griefers are arseholes and should be treated as such not be viewed as some kind of honorable thief .The end product of such activity is that no one does mission any-more which is what certain minorities in this game want.

"What you talking about willis"
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#33 - 2013-12-31 19:13:58 UTC
dexington wrote:
, you are going to be punished by players smarter then you.

I can say with confidence that stealing the loot and ransoming it is not a measure of intelligence, but a measure of laziness greater than I am willing to reach.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Crash Lander
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-12-31 19:18:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Crash Lander
Estella Osoka wrote:
If you really want to get back at these guys, then you will need to fleet up with some guys in PVP ships. Have them sit at a safe until the griefers come on field. Once on field, they warp to you. To keep him from warping out after he takes the loot, stay on him like white on rice and keep bumping him until he turns red and one of your fleetmates can point him. It will take a little skill at manual pilotting to keep him out of warp alignment while bumping him, but it can be done.


This is about the best you can do but it doesn't solve the problem at all. They have the loot that you need. The outcomes are:

1) They give you the loot say for ransom (unlikely, why would they if they are in a cheap ship)
2) You destroy them => 50% chance of getting it back in the drop

Its a crap shoot. They don't lose anything of value. You will more than likely come out of with a significant loss. To put it in casino/gambling/game theory terms, this is the kind of odds in a game that one should not play.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-12-31 21:05:02 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
dexington wrote:
, you are going to be punished by players smarter then you.

I can say with confidence that stealing the loot and ransoming it is not a measure of intelligence, but a measure of laziness greater than I am willing to reach.


Allowing someone to steal the loot is a measure of intelligence.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#36 - 2014-01-01 00:17:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
dexington wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Very good, it is a multiplayer game, and multiplayer games are founded on fairness, otherwise no one would play them.


EvE is not like other multiplayer games, and it's not fair. When you playing like a foolish careless carebear, who think nothing bad can happen because you are in hi-sec, you are going to be punished by players smarter then you.


It has nothing to do with being smarter. It is about taking advantage of a lack of knowledge about mundane game mechanics and catching players unaware. This game has the lowest skill ceiling of any pvp mmorpg i've ever played, don't give pirates too much credit. I suspect EVE is full of angst-filled teens and dim-witted man-children who have gotten **** on in more skill demanding pvp games and have ended up playing EVE because abusing lack of knowledge mechanics is the easiest way they can get their grief jollies off and share a little of their own frustration.

The only parts about EVE that aren't fair are the parts that haven't gotten fixed yet. To suggest EVE is supposed to be unfair is completely moronic. Why do you think we have this thing called "balance"?
Josef Djugashvilis
#37 - 2014-01-01 15:26:30 UTC
Kirkwood Ross wrote:
You can just open a ticket and a GM will restart that mission for you. Taking mission specific objects is considered griefing. Taking mission loot is considered good times.


It is?

Well I never knew that.

This is not a signature.
Abdul 'aleem
Sumiko Yoshida Corporation
#38 - 2014-01-17 20:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdul 'aleem
At least give us some counter-play options to mission theft.

Make someone go suspect*** immediately when warping to another person's site, at the very least.

I mean, really, when does anyone warp to another person's hisec mission site other than to steal salvage/mission items or to grief?

Trespassing is a crime in every place that I have ever been.

And, before anyone goes derpy and tries to say "this is space, there is no such thing as trespassing", EVE is a game not reality. If there can be 50k or more Ralie Ardanne or Wei Todaki in existence at one time in the EVE universe, I don't think that making mission sites the "property" of the mission runner is going to blow up anyone's gaming experience.

The ability for everyone and their allies to legally counter-gank mission invaders... yes please. Add a Suspect Flag for Mission Invasion

Click "like" in the original post to support it.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#39 - 2014-01-17 20:59:31 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
And, before anyone goes derpy and tries to say "this is space, there is no such thing as trespassing", EVE is a game not reality. If there can be 50k or more Ralie Ardanne or Wei Todaki in existence at one time in the EVE universe, I don't think that making mission sites the "property" of the mission runner is going to blow up anyone's gaming experience.


Considering the number of Ralie's I've collected without a thought about griefers stealing him, I consider myself rather lucky that its never happened to me. Luckily Ralie isn't worth as much.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Qalix
Long Jump.
#40 - 2014-01-17 21:34:46 UTC
Abdul 'aleem wrote:
I mean, really, when does anyone warp to another person's hisec mission site other than to steal salvage/mission items or to grief?

To help them run the site. Or when I dual box a site.