EVE New Citizens Q&A

You seem to be suffering from a misunderstanding of the words "High Security". Highsec is not a safe area, it is merely safer than everywhere else, although you are still subject to wardecs, awoxing, corporate theft, suicide ganking, ninja looters and suspect baiting if you're not in an NPC corp, if you are in an NPC corp you are still subject to suicide ganking, ninja looters and suspect baiting. The main difference between highsec and everywhere else is Concord, and they're there to punish, not protect.

Everywhere in Eve is a PvP area, with some very limited exclusions relating to newbies in certain solar systems. There is no PvE only area. PvP itself isn't limited to shooting each other in the face with spaceships, everything in Eve is either a form of PvP or is there to feed PvP. If you're competing with another player for anything, it's PvP.

Back on topic, Ruger St1pe you should let your self appointed diplomat deal with the situation, he seems to have a much clearer head than yourself. 99% of the advice that has been given is good advice, you should heed it. Nobody has gone out of their way to insult you, you merely perceive the advice given as an insult because it doesn't agree with what you think the advice should be.

Newbies generally don't have the game knowledge or experience to lead a corp of fellow newbies, the only way to gain them is to play the game and learn from those that do have the knowledge and experience. Doing a metric fuckton of reading is good, it'll give you the basics but be aware that it is only the basics, there's far more to it than that. Actually applying what you learn from it is another matter entirely, which is where experience comes into play.

You will never know everything there is to know about Eve, its scope is too vast. People who've been playing since Beta still learn something new every now and then.

Brave Newbies are the exception to the rule about newbies leading corps, because they blatantly don't give a fig if they explode, in fact they think it's hilarious, they play for explosions, both their own and other peoples. Their attitude to Eve is a polar opposite of your own, and because of it they have attracted a huge membership that consists of both Newbies and Vets, and are fairly well respected by much more experienced player groups, if only because their whole ethos is to bring good fights and have fun while exploding hilariously.

You know, Brave Newbies started about a year ago by a guy that had no idea what he was doing. Now it has over 6000 members.

I doubt there were tears ...

A diplomatic solution has been made to settle the tension between us and the Eve brotherhood. As an indirect result of making this thread, and corresponding with the Eve brotherhood they have notified me that they are now backing off.

My high sec char has been playing since 2007 (it isnt hard to find her name if you so wish) and during that time I have been wardecced four times. So it is very easy to play in highsec and never enagage in pvp if you dont want to, just get the eff out of caldari space. seriously, there are soooo many places you can go where there isn't another person in local most of the time.

there you can mine, put up a pos, run missions in almost safety (you are never 100% safe). but if you fly a lot in say Osmon, then yeah you will be noticed. Mouth off in local? Someone will notice, rage like mad when someone can flips you.. again you are making yourself a target.

yes you might have to inconvenience yourself a little bit, but compare that to the inconvenience of a wardec (if you dont like me go: yay!).

And if you really really dont want to pvp and get deced, take a break for a week. Most highsec wardecs are not renewed. Go play some kerbal space program, or feed the beast or whatever.., go outside. a week away wont kill you specially as your character is still training regardless.

Treat messages like that with caution, they might drop Corp to form a new one and war dec you again, or they might not even be sincere. Psychological warfare is also practiced in eve. Trust no one and take nothing at face value.

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I think this is a bit of a misunderstanding somewhere. It's not a broken game mechanic, just a misunderstanding of game mechanics.

To compare this to RL. In business, generally people are promoted into positions of leadership because they have technical knowledge that gives them a high degree of expertise relevant to the job.

In EvE, it is no different. To successfully lead a Corporation, you need to have a good, solid understanding of a broad range of mechanics in the game, because being a CEO is not only about providing a social setting and collecting taxes. It's as much about teaching and mentoring as any other leadership position is in RL.

If you don't fully understand the mechanics yourself (nothing against you there - that just takes time and experience across a broad range of play styles over time), it's difficult to effectively lead your Corporation and players quitting reflects that. People will follow a competent leader even through a difficult situation, but quit in droves from an ineffective leader.

By ineffective, I mean nothing personal. Your character and you as a player, just don't yet have the knowledge gained through experience in order to effectively lead your Corp through a war.

That written, the mechanic of Wardecs isn't broken. You opened yourself up to it as a leader by creating a Corp. If you didn't create the Corp, you as a new player would be protected from that mechanic.

So there is a perfectly valid and commonly used mechanic available to protect yourself and other new players from a Wardec.

However, since you have created a Corp, there are still things you can do as a new player to protect yourself. There is no need to repeat them here, other than to suggest you sit down and just reread the entire thread. There is several years worth of gained experienced expressed in this thread. It's a goldmine for any new player Corp.

Brave Newbies would be a good option for you at this point. Take your whole Corp there and go join them. Have fun and then lead at some point in the future. Even as a member of a Corp and not the CEO, you can have a huge leadership role, both formally and informally.

PS. Hope you've replied to Cannibal Kane. If you haven't you are doing yourself a disservice. Just check a killboard or go read C&P to see the level of respect he has earned.

Perhaps, but I still don't think it's a waste of time.

If it is seen as an insult, then that's unfortunate and I would put it down to the broken style of communication that exists in a forum. Interpretation is up to the reader and a lot of the useful aspects of communication are lost in this style.

I bet if the forum ran on TS or Mumble or something similar, all of our interactions would be different again (and to the OP, if you don't yet have TeamSpeak, Mumble, Skype or something similar available for your Corp, that would be a useful addition. Being able to speak to people directly while they are online is very useful. As this is a game, some people don't want to read through a 2 page written post on a Corp forum or email, but will gladly listen and reply in a spoken conversation. The more ways you can provide to usefully communicate to your Corp, the more effective your leadership will become and be perceived).

As it is, I think the OP went into a little bit of bunker mentality over a couple of pages, but that doesn't normally last long.

Overall though, I think he has done both his Corp and the community a good service through this thread. The information here will hopefully help someone else in the future too, irrespective of the outcome for this particular Corp.

I agree Ts and communication is a must, also I am more than prepared to learn, and as you say bunker mentally, I understand what you mean here and I agree that I put up my parades in the beginning of the post a bit, but I feel like I quickly put them down again.I guess getting attacked by veterans in game just felt like being put in a tennis match with Roger Federer, and while that is a great honor indeed, it also was a one way treat, as the other corp wrote to me in a mail they felt forced so they wouldn't themselves become a target to stronger corps, I guess I am critic about the positive effects with this picking order, as it adds to an already steep learning curve for new players and at the same time encourages, to make war with a weak target as possible.
Also I have said thankyou several times in the thread, to people writing here to help, also wishing everyone happy holidays without any response. Some people seem to want to paint me a sinister for ever lasting memo in my time in eve also I see nothing constructive in replying to such individuals. Their motives come from a darker place from within themselves and has noting to do with me really, so in a way a such a discussion would never make any sense. I can also see why some want to be on these peoples good side. As someone suggested that I would rage over this reply or the one before, I haven't so that proves you where just wrong about me

Also I will apologize to Cannibal Kane, I read your reply as negative the first time, and I see how it can be seen as I am arrogant trying to ignore, however I misread it. I will contact you ingame.

It has happened, there are also corps like super battle penguins that just started declaring war alphabetically. I've known a few one man corps that declare on anyone. Personally, I'm considering declaring war on Eve University for the lols. Not quite ready to die that spectacularly repeatedly yet, but I will be soon.
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Can we let this thread die now? Turning my subscription off.