EVE General Discussion

Refreshed how? It's received tons of tweaks and additions of the last couple of years.

Also, yes, it is indeed a problem that new players learn EVE through PvE since it means they don't actually learn anything about EVE.

PvP game or not, you have to get your gear somehow.

Some food for thought here:

Loss of efficiency
As fun as PvP ops might be, PvE still is pretty much a solo thing, do it in groups and you usually loose efficiency. (if that's not a bad thing in an MMO I dont know)

Entertainment:
People play games for entertainment. Since most entertaining activities cost isk, you need to replenish that somehow. Problem is … most ways to do so fail massively in that regard.

Social aspect (or forever alone)
People tend to play multiplayer games to play with other players. With the exception of higher class WHs and incursions, that is highly discouraged. You simply loose too much efficiency.
DED plexes are flown with alts, and so are lvl 5s in many cases. And since they totally wreck standings its a no-go for many that otherwise would want to try that
There is no point in sharing PvE experience with anyone in your corp let alone with a 'neighbour' corp in the same station. (that would encourage sticking together when one gets wardecced)

Random (IN-SPACE) Encounters:
Back in the day when I started playing eve there was a mission that spawned some kilometres off real stargates. I struggled with that mission, someone saw it on his travels, and used that opportunity to show off his badass deimos and helped me. He even asked me for my fit and explained why hull+shiled+armor tanking isnt that great of an Idea

Nowadays the only social in-space interaction you will experience in PvE is getting ganked or ninja salvaged.

Flow of knowledge
The probability of finding someone flying a “fail fit” or being bad at piloting as a function of playtime is is really bad in eve. Much worse than in any other multiplayer game I have tried yet. There is just no way to see other players doing their stuff, and asking … wow how can you tank that in that ship, what am I doing wrong?

Deadspace Prison
Amplified by warp to zero there are hardly any situations where you are not totally alone and isolated. Station / Warp / Deadspace
Chats are no substitute for real interaction.
Beeing mostly alone during isk-grinding is a major turn-off for many new players I meet. (im mentoring & training new players for quite a while now)

DPS is everything
Specialisation is key in EvE you say? Well if you want to make isk in PvE you need a DPS-boat. In other games some like to just be the “healer”. Try making isk with a tech 1 logistic ship in EvE. Or tackler … or ecm. Apart from very niche or high-end gameplay you wont make a penny with that.

Positive Example: Incursions
Vanguards are as grindy as it gets, but are still much more fun than anything else (for many) because you are not alone in space, and you have other roles than “schoot everything”. You need Fcs logistics, long/short-range, even hackers.
And when it comes to HQs (when armor-fleets still had the numbers to do them) I loved them. The danger of ship loss, … everything
I dare-say Incursions did more against fail-fits and for pilot skill than any other PvE content in eve that I'm aware of.

I've heard FW is nice, but for those that don't want to wreck their standings its a no-go anyway (include pirate factions and I'm sold, its okay if they hate me )

PLEASE
Give me something that I can do with a bunch of tech 1 cruisers + frigates+logistics and still make more money than anyone would do soloing missions.
That would help soooo much with player retention in my opinion!
Bonus pockets in missisons designed for fleets maybe? (Ill let other figure that one out)

there's actually nothing wrong with mining. is as exactly as interactive as pvp.

target things; activate modules.

Refreshed how? It's received tons of tweaks and additions of the last couple of years.

PvE is the punishment you receive for losing your ship in PVP.
This is what makes pvp losses in eve meaningful.
The fact that some people perform the punishment but don't want the reward (pvp) is the mystery.

Oh god, why, I thought I had a delicate and smart sense of humor, but I've been laughing minutes about this...

Its the CCP way ...


1. We want players to live in null and PvP a lot .

2. So for laughs lets start them all in hisec where there is no PvP

3. But we do not want them to stay there ... so we lets make PvE boring and do not up date missions or add new ones.

4. and just for laughs make it easy for gankers to kill their unarmed mining ships so they are terrified of leaving highsec.


with the result that the majority of players stay in highsec till they get bored of it and quit :D

New AI, new exploration mechanics, new exploration sites, new exploration types, revamped FW, new PvE-centric equipment, new rewards, new markets. Every part of PvE has been refreshed, hence the question.

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It's called niche marketing, Eve caters to a particular kind of player and is rather successful at it. If Eve was changed to appeal to the masses it would rapidly become a poor facsimile of itself, because the players they attract would demand changes to the very essence of Eve.

Bigger playerbase equals bigger demands, but much bigger paychecks also.
It is like saying: "We have a small company here it takes care of local demands, but we don't wanna grow and get on the world state or even world level."

I bet they still want those $1000 jeans, but bite the elbows instead.