Player Features and Ideas Discussion

First off let me state my goals for this system:

* To create a more dynamic realistic Sov system for Eve online.

* To abolish and destroy an empires Ability to maintain space AFK.

* Allow smaller alliance's to more easily attain SoV by way of stealing it from larger Alliances who are not paying attention to their territories. (Though larger Alliances could to this to other larger alliances as well).

* To open 0.0 up to everyone not just elite PvPers, or those with billions of ISK.


Below is a simple draft of what this system could be like:


* Basically you would gain Sov by using the system,

(Your Alliance or Corp), Not by Anchoring a TCU (Though I am positive this could be combined in some way). By using the system you gain Sov levels:

Things which gain you Sov in a system:

* Ratting (Of any type)

* Mining of any type, whether Ice, Gas, or roid, in Belts or anomalies anywhere in the system.

* Multiple PvP kills (The system will se this as you defending your space and using it, be warned however if another Alliance is getting more kills then you in this system it will count towards them and not you).

* Manufactureing in system, whether at a POS or a station.

When you do not do these things in a system, your SoV declines over time and eventually you lose it. Which means for a system to maintain SOV your Alliance must be continually active in it and actually using it.

Both Moon Mining and PI do NOT count toword this as it is an infinite renewable resource that can be mined 24/7 AFK and is liekly to be exploited (Yep that's right I saw that coming, too bad for you AFK empires).

In addition to make it more interesting, let's say that in Null unless you own the SOV you can't Mine the Moons. (Oh yes, I went there). :P

This means that all those huge AFK empires sucking Moongoo are going to take a serious Hit, not only to their territory, but to their wallets and T2 production lines unless they are actively maintaining their space, thus weakening them and Allowing more active smaller alliances to claim 0.0 space, and become a serious threat.



What does this do to the game?

* Makes it A LOT harder to maintain SoV, and Actually makes it so that you can see the real strength of any Alliance, as the larger, more active, they are the more territory they can hold and maintain.

* Introduces a real dynamic mechanic into the SOV game, rather then a simple pay this much ISK to maintain your SOV.

* Allows smaller entities to take larger Alliances SOV, by moving into an unoccupied system and using it, the sov will degrade faster and eventually change hands. (As would the TCU in the system) Thus allowing you to actually "steal" the sovereignty from another alliance "Covertly", if they are not watching their space.

* Forces Alliances to recruit Industrialist's and PvE'ers and protect them so that their space is maintained. (This makes Indies and other highseccers, Needed, Wanted, and Desired in Nullsec, It also Ensures an Alliance must take care of them and protect them, as without them their empire will be difficult to maintain on a large scale).

Thus forcing this already needed symbiotic relationship to be Non Optional and opening up 0.0 to everyone who plays the game.

Nullseccers aren't elite pvpers, they just have large logistic chains.

I don't think anyone in 0.0 will accept being forced to protect people like you who do nothing but benefit themselves and whine to others to protect them. Anyone who would really doesn't deserve to live there.

As the old saying goes, an army marches on its stomach. ie logistics is thee thing to organize/manage to win the war, rather than the battle.

Back to topic. What does Sov give you anyway that small corps need? We don't need super gantries. I guess we could do the moon goo thing? Does that even need sov? You don't need to sov to rat etc and outside a pos smaller corps/alliaces don't want ito build their own stations either.

Clearly putting up a tower is something, but you don't need sov for that (Do you?). And sure they can blow it up with their massive cap fleets. How would this change that? Should that change? Dropping 10 dreads on a POS should be pretty effective even against a smaller corps POS.

Now since the benefits to the small group is already low, add that most of us find grinding structures to be worse than mining, you end up with the current situation over sov. Many of us just don't care.

I don't see these changes as fixing that. However the idea that there has to be some sort of activity much like FW is now is not bad IMO. But i feel Sov itself should be more relevant to smaller groups if the the goal is to encourage smaller groups to take some.

1. Fear isn't stopping anyone. As stated I've lived in null for over 5 years. (I am not sure how this deals with AFK empires, seems like you hinted at that then went off on a tangent about how I personally am afraid to go to nullsec).

2. It hhas nothing to do with a large alliance allowing you to do anything, THAT IS THE POINT. Because they wont have a choice, if they do not have the resources to maintain their giant ass empty AFK space. They will lose it, whether they ant to or not.

Which is the point.

3. 0.0 is not open to every single person who plays the game. Everyone knows this.

If it was "open" as in being attractive to everyone, and everyone being able to go own SoV, and everyone being equally able to fight each other (Albeit if in different ways). They would, However you and I both know this is not the case.

4. You miss the part where this causes both sides of the coin to work together for mutual prosperity, people are not making money for free, they are maintaining your space for you so you can have your giant ass empire. This is called "Doing a Job". And your job as a PvPer is to make sure they can do theirs so that you BOTH can have a giant ass empire (Or a SOV empire at all).

For an Alliance that is always proclaiming how downtrodden the highsecers are and how they need help, and need to get into 0.0, you seem ofally inclined to throw them to fire if it doesn't suit the Goonswarm's Cabalistic needs and Agenda...... But being your a group of Economical Terrorists I am not surprised.

5. PvE'ers have a bad reputation because people like you give it to them, Eve is a game of many decisions, many careers, many paths, Not just PvP, and because you choose not to PvP does not mean you are worthless and Useless or "Bad" as you seem to imply. It means you play the game differently, it means instead of destroying things, you choose to create things, ships, ammo, fuel, whatever.

Every single Item PvPers use was made through Industry. Without which you would not be able to call yourself a PvPer. As I stated, it is a symbiotic relationship, one which some people refuse to see (for whatever delusional reason). It is OBVIOUSE this is how the game works if you take 5 seconds and look at the EvE structure.

This one is easy, with larger empires, they do not maintain all of their space, it is highly unlikely they will notice one system on the fringes of their territory go dark for awhile, unless they have some operation going on in that system (in which case most likely the sov wont drop because they are useing it).

By the time an alliance notices hey.. they took our system!, most likely the other alliance will have cyno jammers up (New module deploy able cyno jammer anyone).

Which means... NO HOT DROP.

In fact you can deploy this thing at any time and without SOV, so there is nothing stopping a smaller alliance from moving in droping it and camping the gates. If you take away a large alliances ability to use dreadnought titan bridge, and carries / moms.

You severally cripple them.

At least it would be a battle worth seeing. And worth participating in.

Uhh, all anyone would have to do is check dotlan once a day. Hell, I just pulled up five seperate CFC regions on there, not one single one of them had even one single system with zero jumps in the past 24 hours. Someone would notice rather fast if sov dropped, even if there was no notification.

And it takes a month for a cynojammer to go up. Anyone who doesn't notice holes in their Sov for a month has other problems. (The mobile jammers are very short ranged you know.)

And even if they can't drop five hundred dreads on you, they can just do it with battleships. Or hotdrop you with blackops.

Not all syetsm are able to be held with ratting and mining. Some aren't even important for that, some are for staging (Good luck ratting in a PVP staging syetsm), for jump bridge/cynogen connections or just buffers.

Have you ever actually lived in null?

It should be noted that any idea which challenges or may force an AFK empire to loose space will be met with great resistance and hostility, they don't wont to lose there space....

This fact should tell you it's a good idea. Because Huge empires fear almost nothing, and they should fear A lot. If this system scares the **** out of them, Good. It is supposed to.

I believe CCP would say - Working as intended

But what about systems with few belts and crap truesec, so no worthwhile anoms? Nobody belt rats unless they're hunting spawns, which you won't do in a system with three belts and awful truesec.

And if PVP kills count, then you're encouraging the farming of alts.

And if manufacturing counts, what about systems without a station? Why would I build in a POS in a system with an amarr outpost next door?

If you want activity to count towards SOV, are you really going to force people to do things in a way that actively disadvantages them?


Hell, what does activity based sov do other than encourage the use of bots?

I think it's a worthwhile idea.

Living in 0.0 was 40j of mostly empty systems. It was so quite that we could move orcas just fine without meeting more than 1 neutral.. now, if the huge donut-alliances would've been forced to get people working on their space.. that would be sweet imho.