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Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#41 - 2013-12-22 01:40:22 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Agiri Falken wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Denak Calamari wrote:
Congratulations, I wish Acassa Midular, and the Sebiestor tribe, the best of luck.


As do I ... however ...

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.. and is known to have been a sharp critic of both the old parliamentary system and the transitional regime of Sanmatar Maleatu Shakor.


Next "foreign" assassin to appear in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

Typically, people who survive long enough to become vocal critics in the big game are smart enough to have already bought off, assassinated, or otherwise removed likely threats. Most of the rest can be handled by a well trained security detail, particularly if said detail is comprised of professionals who are experts in the other end of matters. The skillset works both ways.

That said, congratulations to Midular on her appointment, and to the Sebiestor as a whole. Winds guide you.


But what when the threat is your own Head of State, Agiri?

The rules of the game don't change at all, kirjuun, just the labels on the pieces. To put it simply, it's nothing but an amplification of the first rule of combat; kill your opponent before he kills you. If Shakor goes THAT far, he's earned an unmarked grave on an abandoned rock somewhere... And no, I don't think he's innocent of any involvement in Karin Midulars murder. He was the one who called for her ouster after all, when the timing couldn't have been worse for her.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#42 - 2013-12-22 10:53:27 UTC
I delivered a Signed copy of our Research to Shaman Kyllsa Siikanen of the Sebiestor Tribe.

Hopefully, Chief Midular will read it, and Act on its Recommendations.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2013-12-22 21:01:12 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ferro Mapindazi wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Not sure if one should write 'nepotism' with an uppercase N there or not. Just for good measure.

For the correct usage contact one of the five families that have exclusive access to the Imperial throne. They are the experts in nepotism in the cluster.


I am not sure how the imperial succession trials qualify for nepotism... How does the Theology Council actually manage to favour a member of its... family ? That does not make any sense, if I may...


You see, the way it works is that only the head of one of the five Inheritor families can even try to become the Head of State for the Empire. Therefore the only way to gain that position is to be appointed the head of the family by your predecessor. Hence nepotism.


That is indirect then. Nepotism in this case is involved in the nomination of the head of the five Houses, not in the succession trials for the Imperial Throne...
Ferro Mapindazi
#44 - 2013-12-27 09:13:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferro Mapindazi
Lyn Farel wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ferro Mapindazi wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Not sure if one should write 'nepotism' with an uppercase N there or not. Just for good measure.

For the correct usage contact one of the five families that have exclusive access to the Imperial throne. They are the experts in nepotism in the cluster.


I am not sure how the imperial succession trials qualify for nepotism... How does the Theology Council actually manage to favour a member of its... family ? That does not make any sense, if I may...


You see, the way it works is that only the head of one of the five Inheritor families can even try to become the Head of State for the Empire. Therefore the only way to gain that position is to be appointed the head of the family by your predecessor. Hence nepotism.


That is indirect then. Nepotism in this case is involved in the nomination of the head of the five Houses, not in the succession trials for the Imperial Throne...

I get that some of you people are very dense, but this statement marks a new low. Only five families have birthright access to the throne. That is the most extreme example of DIRECT nepotism in the cluster.

Study history, learn the facts, the amarr fought a long bloody civil war when the new rules elevating just five families was forced upon them.

It makes sense to know what you are talking about here on IGS.

**Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic! Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2013-12-27 10:30:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Yes, it makes sense. You should follow your own advice sir. And ad personam will lead you nowhere.

Nepotism happens in the five families you speak of, not in the succession trials themselves. In the context of the trials, it makes absolutely zero sense.

Also, as much as nepotism could apply in despotic systems, it is usually seen as political corruption, so it also makes very little sense in a monarchy. It makes a lot more sense in democracies and meritocratic systems.

How should I say it again for people to understand ?
Hamish Grayson
#46 - 2013-12-27 11:51:02 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
... and thinks that technology will simply crush any military force one could bring to bear.


That concept has worked pretty well for the State, to be honest. It helped bring us from a smattering of seccessionist colonies and accompanying diaspora to one of the largest and most powerful entities in the entire cluster.

Technological superiority is not to be underestimated.



Nor overestimated. For most of the war, we lagged behind the Federation in technological development and were severely outnumbered. It was our strategy, unity and focus that allowed us to survive the onslaught. People first, then technology.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#47 - 2013-12-27 13:32:48 UTC
At long last, the impasse has been broken, and a suitable Chief of the tribe has been chosen. Considering the duration, I can likely assume that the selection of Acassa Midular was a well tought out choice for succession.

While she has big shoes to fill, she does seem to follow her own course, rather then mimicking her predeccor in detail. This is a good thing, as it'll thwart those criticists saying *But Karin Midular did x better!* Rather she can sail her own course. While it holds a risk of it's own, it also contributes to Karin's legacy of chosing your own path in life.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology
Ferro Mapindazi
#48 - 2013-12-27 18:47:15 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Yes, it makes sense. You should follow your own advice sir. And ad personam will lead you nowhere.

Nepotism happens in the five families you speak of, not in the succession trials themselves. In the context of the trials, it makes absolutely zero sense.

Also, as much as nepotism could apply in despotic systems, it is usually seen as political corruption, so it also makes very little sense in a monarchy. It makes a lot more sense in democracies and meritocratic systems.

How should I say it again for people to understand ?
Your obsession with the "Trials" is somewhat dismissed by the facts that the current occupant of the throne did not abide by the rules or get to the throne using the "Trials". So the trials are pretty much irrelevant. Trying to get people to understand incorrect points will prove difficult. You are completely wrong, learn a lesson and move on.

You are stuck in a hole, stop digging.

**Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic! Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#49 - 2013-12-27 20:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Ferro Mapindazi wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Yes, it makes sense. You should follow your own advice sir. And ad personam will lead you nowhere.

Nepotism happens in the five families you speak of, not in the succession trials themselves. In the context of the trials, it makes absolutely zero sense.

Also, as much as nepotism could apply in despotic systems, it is usually seen as political corruption, so it also makes very little sense in a monarchy. It makes a lot more sense in democracies and meritocratic systems.

How should I say it again for people to understand ?
Your obsession with the "Trials" is somewhat dismissed by the facts that the current occupant of the throne did not abide by the rules or get to the throne using the "Trials". So the trials are pretty much irrelevant. Trying to get people to understand incorrect points will prove difficult. You are completely wrong, learn a lesson and move on.

You are stuck in a hole, stop digging.


The only thing in your argument is "you are wrong and the trials are irrelevant". There is absolutely nothing to back up your claims.

Taking the current ruler as an example for generalities is a novice fallacy that only proves the limit of your reasoning. That the current ruler broke the trials tradition to get up to the throne has nothing to do with nepotism in the Amarr Empire. Her being the righteous ruler or not is a totally different matter. And as much as the Theology Council validated her legitimacy a few years ago, Jamyl Sarum has yet to be a member of their direct "family".

As I said above, nepotism happens at the nobility level, if one could even call that nepotism considering that the Empire is a feudal theocracy of divine right.

Your initial claim consisting to say that the imperial succession trials are the most blatant case of nepotism in the cluster does not make any sense...
Ferro Mapindazi
#50 - 2013-12-27 20:46:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferro Mapindazi
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ferro Mapindazi wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Yes, it makes sense. You should follow your own advice sir. And ad personam will lead you nowhere.

Nepotism happens in the five families you speak of, not in the succession trials themselves. In the context of the trials, it makes absolutely zero sense.

Also, as much as nepotism could apply in despotic systems, it is usually seen as political corruption, so it also makes very little sense in a monarchy. It makes a lot more sense in democracies and meritocratic systems.

How should I say it again for people to understand ?
Your obsession with the "Trials" is somewhat dismissed by the facts that the current occupant of the throne did not abide by the rules or get to the throne using the "Trials". So the trials are pretty much irrelevant. Trying to get people to understand incorrect points will prove difficult. You are completely wrong, learn a lesson and move on.

You are stuck in a hole, stop digging.


The only thing in your argument is "you are wrong and the trials are irrelevant". There is absolutely nothing to back up your claims.


Ferro Mapindazi wrote:
These facts prove my statements beyond doubt for any educated person.



Lyn Farel wrote:
Taking the current ruler as an example for generalities is a novice fallacy that only proves the limit of your reasoning. That the current ruler broke the trials tradition to get up to the throne has nothing to do with nepotism in the Amarr Empire. Her being the righteous ruler or not is a totally different matter. And as much as the Theology Council validated her legitimacy a few years ago, Jamyl Sarum has yet to be a member of their direct "family".

As I said above, nepotism happens at the nobility level, if one could even call that nepotism considering that the Empire is a feudal theocracy of divine right.

Your initial claim consisting to say that the imperial succession trials are the most blatant case of nepotism in the cluster does not make any sense...
It makes perfect sense if you know the definition of nepotism... allow me to illuminate it for you.

Nepotism, definition.... favoritism (as in appointment to a job) based on kinship

Now if you have difficulty understanding that being appointed to participate in the "Trials" meets the exact definition of nepotism, you will never see what you choose to be blind to.

Please stop digging yourself deeper into the hole.

**Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic! Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.
Ferro Mapindazi
#51 - 2013-12-27 21:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferro Mapindazi
Lyn Farel wrote:
And as much as the Theology Council validated her legitimacy a few years ago, Jamyl Sarum has yet to be a member of their direct "family".
The Theology Council is affiliated with the Ardishapur family. One of the five families in line for the throne. That is certainly a "DIRECT" connection.

**Eject from your ship & flee! No quarter is given to the enemies of the Matari people and the Minmatar Republic! Drake Ashigaru Alliance, we hold fast to our principles, if we make a deal, we keep the deal, if you give your word you are bound by it.
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#52 - 2013-12-27 22:45:00 UTC
I wish the best of luck to the new Sebiestor chief and hope her leadership will be every bit as progressive as her passed aunt's and bring good things to the Minmatar people.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#53 - 2013-12-27 22:52:26 UTC
A tribal based government complaining about nepotism? Wow. Just wow.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#54 - 2013-12-28 08:12:34 UTC
Just an FYI; it was one of your fellow imperials (well...ex-imperial, current Angel crime boss) who raised the nepotism thing, not anyone who supports the Republic. We freely acknowledged that there is some nepotism in our tribal system. That's the nature of the system, after all. You might want to refer to this post.

There's no controversy for you to stir up here, Luftschreck. Move along.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-12-28 09:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Ferro Mapindazi wrote:



Now if you have difficulty understanding that being appointed to participate in the "Trials" meets the exact definition of nepotism, you will never see what you choose to be blind to.



I believe the Imperial succession trials are an example of feudal primogeniture in practice and not nepotism per se.

An Heir is born into their position, not selected or nominated into it. I do not believe mortal favouritism plays a role in Divine birthrights as far as the Amarr are concerned.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#56 - 2013-12-28 10:48:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Congratulations to the new tribal chief, also !

Ferro Mapindazi wrote:
fallacies


Please sir, you have still to read my arguments above that directly contradict your nonsensical explanation.

Allow me to try again. Nepotism happens when appointment of members for an entity is NOT based upon kinship per se. Nepotism, or favoritism for kinship as you graciously stated above, happens when someone in a position of power in an institution makes arrangements for his kin to be appointed in said institution, where said institution implies an investiture NOT BASED on kinship.

For example, the appointment of clergy, or priests, or even TC members. Favoring someone of his kin for a position is nepotism, and definitely happens in the Empire.
Nachshon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-12-29 08:49:18 UTC
I approve wholeheartedly. While I wasn't exactly what you might call Karin Midular's greatest supporter, I did have the pleasure of meeting Acassa Midular several years ago. I rather liked her, and I think she'll do a fine job as leader of our tribe*.



*Before anyone asks, I was adopted by a small Sebiestor clan several years ago, so I am a Sebiestor by law, if not by ethnicity.

Caldari by birth, Minmatar by choice. Give me the word, and I'll bring down the sky.
Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-01-02 18:30:45 UTC
She seems like a fine choice. I dearly hope that she does indeed carry on Karin Midular's legacy of peace and that the Republic as a whole follows suit.
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#59 - 2014-01-14 13:33:51 UTC
Even though I've been away from home for a long time, these news fill me with pride and joy. Better times are to come with her as our new leader.
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