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Possible to lock and scram pod if spamming warp?

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1 - 2013-12-27 20:30:43 UTC
My alt lost a pod that narrowly missed the front page of eve-kill.net last night . Oops

Stilleto was waiting for me to come out of warp, had me targed and pointed before I could warp off. This was all in spite of the fact that I was manically spamming warp to another celestial. I was under the impression that even an instalock inty can't pull this off and that the only way to lose a pod in low (provided you know how to spam warp) is to smartbombs.

Just so I know for the future, is there some inty fit that makes this possible, or was it network lag, or was I just wrong altogether about pod safety in low?
ErrorRon
Turbo-Encabulator LLC
#2 - 2013-12-27 20:34:12 UTC
There's no such thing as pod safety. Or safety for that matter.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2013-12-27 20:35:43 UTC
ErrorRon wrote:
There's no such thing as pod safety. Or safety for that matter.


HTFU is what you say to people simply expressing butthurt. I'm asking a question about game mechanics which you didn't answer.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#4 - 2013-12-27 20:39:14 UTC
You are wrong all together about pod safety in low.

Catching a pod is difficult, but if someone is ready for you it can be done.

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Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#5 - 2013-12-27 20:41:32 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
... or was I just wrong altogether about pod safety in low?



ErrorRon wrote:
There's no such thing as pod safety. Or safety for that matter.


I didn't see anything about "HTFU." I saw him answering one of your questions. Apparently you didn't like the (correct) answer to one of your questions, and you got buttmad about it.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#6 - 2013-12-27 20:44:43 UTC
Xavier Holtzman wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
... or was I just wrong altogether about pod safety in low?



ErrorRon wrote:
There's no such thing as pod safety. Or safety for that matter.


I didn't see anything about "HTFU." I saw him answering one of your questions. Apparently you didn't like the (correct) answer to one of your questions, and you got buttmad about it.


He didn't answer my question at all. He gave me a blanket "EVE is dangerous, mmkay?" statement.

To be clear, my question was: "Can a pod align (I know they have virtually no alignment time) and warp faster than an inty can lock and scram them."
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2013-12-27 20:47:19 UTC
I would consider it nigh-impossible if you are coming out of a dead ship, since you can hit warp before you appear on their overview. Or if you're landing on a gate/station and become invulnerable upon activation/docking.

However if you're landing in space and trying to decelerate, then warp somewhere else, I am not very surprised to see that you got caught.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2013-12-27 20:49:35 UTC
Batelle wrote:
I would consider it nigh-impossible if you are coming out of a dead ship, since you can hit warp before you appear on their overview. Or if you're landing on a gate/station and become invulnerable upon activation/docking.

However if you're landing in space and trying to decelerate, then warp somewhere else, I am not very surprised to see that you got caught.


Interesting. Now that you mention it, you're definitely right, I should have warped to a station or gate instead of a celestial.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#9 - 2013-12-27 20:53:17 UTC
Remember than an inty can see where you are going and beat you there. So only fly to a BM or a cluster of celestials so the inty pilot can't tell which one you are flying to.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#10 - 2013-12-27 20:56:26 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Remember than an inty can see where you are going and beat you there. So only fly to a BM or a cluster of celestials so the inty pilot can't tell which one you are flying to.


Good point. I started trying to find a cluster of celestials, but a Kronos (was odd to see that in low-sec PvP!) had just started applying its DPS to me and I had only had a split second to get out. In retrospect, perhaps I should have made a safe on my way through system, but I worry that it would have taken too long to navigate the UI to warp to that safe after ship died.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#11 - 2013-12-27 21:03:12 UTC
Using the right-click interface to get to a bm DOES take too long. When doing insta-undocks or other maneuvers that might require instant selection of bookmarks, have the people and places window already open. Current system bms will be green. So you can spam click them without the delay of the context-menu.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#12 - 2013-12-27 21:03:56 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Using the right-click interface to get to a bm DOES take too long. When doing insta-undocks or other maneuvers that might require instant selection of bookmarks, have the people and places window already open. Current system bms will be green. So you can spam click them without the delay of the context-menu.


Thanks for this tip.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-12-27 21:09:07 UTC
As far as I am aware, the align time for a capsule is several orders of magnitude too high for even a Claw to instalock. It's only lag that will get you killed in a capsule.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2013-12-27 21:30:37 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
As far as I am aware, the align time for a capsule is several orders of magnitude too high for even a Claw to instalock. It's only lag that will get you killed in a capsule.


That's what I thought too Shocked
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#15 - 2013-12-27 21:41:56 UTC
Having a 'Warpout' overview tab really helps. When you hear the hull alarm, swap tabs , select some random destination, and spam the 'warp to' button on the 'selected item' box.


Ive never lost an unbubbled pod.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#16 - 2013-12-27 21:45:38 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Just so I know for the future, is there some inty fit that makes this possible, or was it network lag, or was I just wrong altogether about pod safety in low?


Yes, yes and yes.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2013-12-27 22:43:50 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
He didn't answer my question at all. He gave me a blanket "EVE is dangerous, mmkay?" statement.


Keep in mind that 90%+ of the playerbase sees every question as just an excuse wave their teeny little e-peens around. "HTFU" is just the most utterly pathetic way in which this is done. Feel free to ignore such people, as you are correct in that they have nothing to contribute to the discussion, the question, or life in general.

Carmen Electra wrote:
To be clear, my question was: "Can a pod align (I know they have virtually no alignment time) and warp faster than an inty can lock and scram them."


Pods catching is difficult, but can be done with very specialized ships/tools. Usually this involves a Slasher with 3 x Sensor Boosts and 1 x Warp Disruptor (I've done this myself) or a ship with numerous Remote Sensor Links feeding into a second ship, which then grabs you.

Outside of that, however, catching a pod is almost impossible without a interdiction bubble of some kind, smartbombs (as you said) or just plain horrible lag.

For extra safety many people keep bookmarks anywhere between 151km+ directly in front of a station's ejection port, allowing for (near) instant warp immediately after undocking, and letting you clear the range of any (normal) scramble attempts & buying to time to actually change direction to where you really want to warp off to. Again, there are some very specialized ships/tools that can be used to scramble someone from absurd distances (like 80km+) but even they can't reach to that kind of range.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#18 - 2013-12-27 22:45:13 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
My alt lost a pod that narrowly missed the front page of eve-kill.net last night . Oops

Stilleto was waiting for me to come out of warp, had me targed and pointed before I could warp off. This was all in spite of the fact that I was manically spamming warp to another celestial. I was under the impression that even an instalock inty can't pull this off and that the only way to lose a pod in low (provided you know how to spam warp) is to smartbombs.

Just so I know for the future, is there some inty fit that makes this possible, or was it network lag, or was I just wrong altogether about pod safety in low?




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Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-12-27 22:57:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Magna Mortem
Pods don't warp instantly.

Imagine a straight line. You're coming out of warp, looking forward.

You decellerate, but you're not at 0 velocity instantly.
Now imagine you spam warp to somewhere in the opposite direction ... that takes time!
You can shorten the timeframe between coming out of warp and entering warp again by warping somewhere that is in front of you. That way, you can use the fact that you're not at 0 velocity after exiting warp to your advantage.

All else ... implants to shorten aligntime might help.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2013-12-27 23:51:58 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
He didn't answer my question at all. He gave me a blanket "EVE is dangerous, mmkay?" statement.


Keep in mind that 90%+ of the playerbase sees every question as just an excuse wave their teeny little e-peens around. "HTFU" is just the most utterly pathetic way in which this is done. Feel free to ignore such people, as you are correct in that they have nothing to contribute to the discussion, the question, or life in general.

Carmen Electra wrote:
To be clear, my question was: "Can a pod align (I know they have virtually no alignment time) and warp faster than an inty can lock and scram them."


Pods catching is difficult, but can be done with very specialized ships/tools. Usually this involves a Slasher with 3 x Sensor Boosts and 1 x Warp Disruptor (I've done this myself) or a ship with numerous Remote Sensor Links feeding into a second ship, which then grabs you.

Outside of that, however, catching a pod is almost impossible without a interdiction bubble of some kind, smartbombs (as you said) or just plain horrible lag.

For extra safety many people keep bookmarks anywhere between 151km+ directly in front of a station's ejection port, allowing for (near) instant warp immediately after undocking, and letting you clear the range of any (normal) scramble attempts & buying to time to actually change direction to where you really want to warp off to. Again, there are some very specialized ships/tools that can be used to scramble someone from absurd distances (like 80km+) but even they can't reach to that kind of range.


Thanks. Yeah, I think my pod loss was the result of a little poor planning on my part, a little lag, a good inty pilot, and a little bad/good luck (depending on which end of the guns you were on!)
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