EVE New Citizens Q&A

Thank you.

There are so many free resources available, but learning where they are is part of the learning curve. Making friends of helpful people not biting their hand goes a long way...And of course, on this single shard persistent world, reputation matters so much more than other games. It IS the META game in many ways.

Personally, I consider leadership and moral the most important function of a CEO. It is important at the corporate level, but it becomes even more critical at the alliance level. Regions are won and lost on moral alone it seems.

First off, no part of this post is supposed to be disrespectful to you in any way. I read through the thread and there's a massive amount of great advice in here even from the people that you considered insulting.

About a page back there was a list of things to learn if you want to fight back against their corporation, all of those are important and need to be looked into. In the mean time heres a list of steps I would take:

1. Set the enemy corp to -10 standings.
2. Require all members of your corp to avoid trade hubs (including but not limited to: Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Hek and Rens) while on in corp characters for the duration of the war. Training up out of corp haulers is fast and takes very little time. This is to avoid giving up easy losses at camped gates.
3. Put a limit on the size and expense of ships your players fly for the duration of the war. This is to minimize losses that your opponents will actually care about. T1 cruisers make a good top end for this as they function well in both pve and pvp. This should keep all losses under 50 mill or so.
4. Link the eve uni overview guide for all members and require them to use it. You can make changes if you want to, but this is sufficient for now. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Overview_Guide
5. No missioning or mining for the duration of the war without pickets, and only in systems that have stations. The pickets should be stationed on every gate into the system, and the miners/mission runners should have eyes on local at all times. Having their overview set up properly and the enemy corp set to -10 should give quick intel on war targets. (I would consider banning mining all together, mission ships can at least be quickly refit for pvp.) This is what eve uni does to safely run incursions during war time.
6. Transfer all corporate shares to your character if you have not already done so, and stop all recruiting efforts until the war ends.
7. Contact one of the above corps that offered to help for more info on how to pvp.

Everyone who said you are not ready to lead a corp is correct, so you're going to have to grow up fast. The steps I listed above should be immediate things to do if you have not done so yet. If you manage to drive them off, let us know. Its always cool to see new players fight back.

One last thing. You insulted Psychotic Monk earlier in the thread and ignored Cannibal Kane. If you want to survive long term in eve do your research into people before interacting with them. These are two of the more important players in the eve griefing community, and very very bad people to have as enemies. Monk especially has been known to give advice to new players about corporate security (just remember not to invite him into your corp). Check out his blog if you don't believe me. I do realize that monk was not exactly warm and friendly in his first post, but that's understandable when you started off the thread complaining about cowards picking on you.

I am turning on notifications for this thread if you have any questions.

Maybe I'll stomp on your face too sometimes, because you really ask for it.

Ok. First my credentials in regards to this topic. I am not in the previously mentioned attacking corp but I am friends with all of them. I have also been the "lead" scout, if that is even a term, in regards to hunting the OP's corp down. While still learning the ropes, I am getting much better at my job and I believe the kill report shows it. This post has been amazing in regards to the initial claim of my friends being "cowards" as well as the advice given.
Being intimately involved with the above accusations as every kill mail that is associated with the OP, I have witnessed first hand, I would like to offer a couple of points to this great discussion.
1) I am still waiting for the OP to let the Eve community know that he was reimbursed for his kill. This was at the discretion of the CEO of the attacking corp and a decision that we have gently ribbed him about since doing it.
2) The OP is not the only player to have been reimbursed for his losses. Again, more ribbing to the CEO.
3) The reason this corp was war decked was for all of the reasons he is complaining about. Inexperience and lots of members equals great war reports. Just because you can start a corp doesn't mean you should. As the war report takes shape in the closing days of this war, I think we might all agree that the OP probably shouldn't have started a corp and invite so many new players in it.
Now, and this is directed specifically at you OP, you offered your member "two pages" of advice in mitigated your losses. As someone who has been spying, hunting and bringing in the ships to kill you, I feel my advice is geared most specifically to your current predicament. But it is my advice so I may be a touch biased. Because there is a tiny spot on my heart that feels passively guilty for bringing you to the point of this thread, I have worded my advice as if it were coming from you so you can simply copy and paste it into you MOTD. You are welcome in advance for my hard work and consideration for your time.
Dear Fistfull members,
Please ignore my previous two pages of advice. I have done some more research on the Google and I have compiled some things we can do to mitigate our heavy losses in the current war effort. While not being two pages of research, I believe the following pieces of advice might minimize our losses.
Advice #1: The Google informs me that we should rename our ships ASAP. Apparently, having my ship named Ruger Str1pe's Arbitrator makes it very easy to identify the ship I am flying and the direction I am at very quickly. This allows the "cowards" to reship into the correct tool for the job.
Advice #2: The Google also requests that we keep our eyes on the local channel. Apparently CCP puts our current war targets in red allowing us to see if there is enemies in system. If you see red... You will soon be dead. I came up with that myself and I am currently doing truckloads of research on getting it copyrighted.
Advice #3: The Google has told me that Agent Location services are throughout the Eve Universe. This allows the "cowards" to pay a nominal fee and see where we are in the universe. If we stay in one spot too long, they will come to us. But, and here is the piece of advice, if we stay on the move, it will make it tougher for them to find us.
Advice #4: This may not be something any of you want to hear. I know we all love to stare at rocks for hours on end. But the Google tells me that AFK mining is not a good idea for wartime. Our mining ships are slow and apparently easy to kill with simple frigates. If we mine rocks while afk, there is a chance we might come back to our computers staring at the inside of a station wall. If you want to mine please keep an eye on local (advice #2) and pre- align to a station just in case local fills with red.
Advice #5: Finally, and with a heavy heart, it is always your option to quit the corporation because of my lack of experience. Apparently everyone starts off in NPC corps which are immune to war decks. I didn't realize this prior to starting my own corp but apparently CCP encourages fighting in high- security areas through the war decking tool. But this can only be done with player owned corporations. I promise as your CEO to keep doing truckloads of research, to learn the game mechanics so that I can better train newer players and to reopen this corporation under the new name We Once Lost A Fistful Of Dollars. (I spelled fistful correctly this time.)

Yours truly,
The CEO

All kidding aside. Welcome to Eve mate. It is a nasty place filled with even nastier people. Your corp was decked because of its size and inexperience. You don't like it? Learn from it. In a couple of months, you are going to be on the giving end of these engagements and strangely enough, you will have readjusted all of the complaints you have above and come to terms that they are simply an educational tool. No education is free and quite honestly, you need to quit playing checkers when everyone else is playing chess.

Good day sir and (insert advice #2 here)

Wardeccing a high-sec corporation actually isn't half as safe as a lot of people think it is.

A good portion of the time a small band of PvP-ers wardecs a high-sec mining corporation (at great personal cost in ISK) only to find that the high sec miners are all extremely rich and just hired a couple of massive and dedicated mercenary corporations to wipe the floor with your "pitiful little band."

Kind of puts in perspective who the real bullies in the game are.

I'm a noob too, and I can tell you right now, if a whole bunch of vets told me I was doing something the wrong way, I would sure as hell LISTEN!!

They cant all be wrong and you be right. It's impossible. The fact that you don't seem to be able to comprehend that is just bizarre.

Dude, they're vets, they have YEARS of experience in this game. Why don't you just *try* to follow their advice and see if it works?

Writing 10 pages that i'm doing everything I can to insult someone does not make it true. If have insulted anyone they have also done their best to insult me too. Also It is funny to see that the more i'm doing something else that this post the more insulting I get. I can see there are lots of loyalty points to be made, writing that i'm insulting and stuff. Also nothing impressive about that, telling me I need to leave my corp and do something else is trying to insult, not help seriously. I have made contact with some really cool people through this and i'm happy about that. I guess what I just wrote here is an insult as well,,, But go ahead make your loyalty points, it is a smart way to do it, I can see that. But not really impressive. Thank you to the people who have honestly been trying to to help me in this post, I have read it all and thankyou. There I said thankyou, but go ahead and twist that into an insult too, and make loyalty points

Hey Ruger,

Are you from Spain? Your sentence structure has that ring to it.

In any case; welcome to New Eden. What are your goals here? Some of the advice being offered in this thread is based on the goals of those people offering the advice and may not be applicable to your situation.

Kindest regards,

Corey Fumimasa

I have been watching this thread for a while.

Usually I am the first to condemn anyone faulting game mechanics for getting stomped, but in this case I feel it's ****** up to collectively lay into this guy for making a corp.

The last thing eve needs is another follower, someone who just tags along with the herd to whore on killmails, another poser who never undocks without backup overkill.

This thread should have been moved to Crime & Punishment, enlisting an ally to fight off a high sec war is a perfectly valid game mechanic.

Please spare us the cheap shots about how a newbie is unfit to lead. War decs only typically last for a week anyway, just dock up and bore the aggressors to death or move out of high sec until it runs out. No need to fold the corp, whatsoever.

Use this experience and grow in your role.

Thankyou very much, I will also take your advice and use this experience and grow.

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I wish everyone happy holidays, btw. I had a great xmas and I hope you did too. I truly appreciate anyone who have tried to help me in this thread, along with any positive interest . So thankyou for that. If anyone truly feel like I misunderstood you I hope you will receive my sincere holiday blessings, in the same spirit you wrote your reply.