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why do battleships and caps cannot fight frigates??
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#61 - 2013-12-27 05:01:28 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
WHAT THE **** IS A TURRENT?!

IS IT SOME SORT OF P2P BULLET SHARING SYSTEM?!


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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2013-12-27 06:01:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
nothing stops you fitting smaller guns to bigger ships.


I remember a similar post like this when I was new, and I suggested exactly this, and got flamed right off the post.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#63 - 2013-12-27 06:46:00 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
nothing stops you fitting smaller guns to bigger ships.


Common sense does.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#64 - 2013-12-27 06:54:00 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
nothing stops you fitting smaller guns to bigger ships.


Common sense does.


Things have changed.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-12-27 07:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Seriously, ships should get weapon bonuses for fitting any size weapon in their category. They will still have a strong preference for the same-size weapons but it would increase the variety of niche fits and give rise to more off-the-wall tactics that could prove useful in the right hands.

Also, I'd fit a couple of large turrets to my harbinger, just to do it. I shouldn't lose DPS when I lose tracking, when I'm paying a lot more powergrid for the weapons.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2013-12-27 07:20:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
nothing stops you fitting smaller guns to bigger ships.


Common sense does.


Things have changed.

Need rapid medium turrets to go into a high slot?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-12-27 07:39:31 UTC
Don't need rapid medium turrets, just need a tempest with medium autocannons to get its 25% more damage and 33% faster shooting. An armageddon need not gain any weapon bonuses for fitting medium lasers, because it gains none from large lasers.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#68 - 2013-12-27 08:33:33 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
nothing stops you fitting smaller guns to bigger ships.


Common sense does.


Things have changed.

Need rapid medium turrets to go into a high slot?


Navy mega still gets a slot for a rapid light. I do have a plan for a damn dirty raven and maby a solo RNI or golem.
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#69 - 2013-12-27 08:45:32 UTC
While we're at it, dual turrets should use the ammo they imply, and not the typical ammo size for their hardpoint (ie. dual 250mm should use medium ammo and not large ammo) and fire two rounds per cycle. You trade range and dps for being able to hit smaller targets for more than you would if you used large ammo.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#70 - 2013-12-27 09:04:59 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread??

whos with me Big smile


Dude...just mount your special turrets and you will be fine :-D
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2013-12-27 09:08:55 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
has anyone heard of point defense?? I mean come on look at other scifi. Star wars? Star trek? any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.

Why not add new slot tipe along with hi/med/low: 'point def' slot that is to trade power from main guns to smaller guns so your not HELPLESS if a frigate tackles ur dread??

whos with me Big smile


Dude...just mount your special turrets and you will be fine :-D
Disclaimer:
A battleship is not a jack of all trades device!


Depends.
crononyx
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-12-27 09:11:32 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tippia wrote:
You mean those two instances where huge structures (star destroyers, death stars, borg cubes, God) get blown to smithereens by small craft?

There's a reason the Death Star carried a complement of 9,000 TIE fighters: because X- and Y-wings were so fast they evaded the turbo lasers…



Yeah, true, but then again, there was this aesthetic choice by the architect of the death star where this small exposed thermal exhaust vent, located slightly below the main vent but no bigger than a womprat, where you can shoot a proton torpedo in it and the whole thing explodes. I know..major design flaw, but they totally could have covered it up with plywood, but would have looked terrible, and the empire had to think about resale value, plus it was guarded by towers and you had to skim along a trench to get to it, so hey, totally worth the extra thermal venting.

I guess nobody else got that Family Guy reference.
Nice one Big smile
Apocryphal Noise
Close Encounters of the EVE Kind
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2013-12-27 09:22:03 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
In the next exciting episode of "Why not" we discuss why we don't have area effect remote repairing.


but my priest in wow can heal the whole raid why can't my advanced spaceship do the same?
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#74 - 2013-12-27 09:26:04 UTC
In real naval engagements smaller ships screened the big ones therefore keeping smaller vessels from getting under the guns of the capital ships. Since eve does reflect naval combat a lot may I suggest having a mixed fleet that includes webs and scrams? Screen your dread from pesky subcaps and keep them at a distance your tracking can manage.
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#75 - 2013-12-27 10:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sirinda
Why do you cannot use proper grammar??

Fake edit: Forgot the double questionmarks for that especially special effect.

Real edit:

Caleb Seremshur wrote:
In real naval engagements smaller ships screened the big ones therefore keeping smaller vessels from getting under the guns of the capital ships. Since eve does reflect naval combat a lot may I suggest having a mixed fleet that includes webs and scrams? Screen your dread from pesky subcaps and keep them at a distance your tracking can manage.


They protected them from getting swarmed by scores of smaller ships, yes. 1 vs. 1, the battleship would sink a hostile destroyer everytime as its secondary battery - I'll just take the Iowa as an example - had more than three times the firepower of the Fletcher class destroyer, using the same turret and guns.

The reason why ships in Eve don't have a secondary battery for dealing with small fry is game balance and by no means grounded in reality.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#76 - 2013-12-27 13:10:53 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
any big ship has special turrents to fight and kill small fighters and other such things..... EVEN DEATH STAR.


Since when did the Death Star have point defense?

" DODONNA
The battle station is heavily shielded
and carries a firepower greater than
half the star fleet. It's defenses
are designed around a direct large-
scale assault. A small one-man fighter
should be able to penetrate the outer
defense.

Gold Leader, a rough looking man in his early thirties, stands
and addresses Dodonna.

GOLD LEADER
Pardon me for asking, sir, but what
good are snub fighters going to be
against that?

DODONNA
Well, the Empire doesn't consider a
small one-man fighter to be any
threat, or they'd have a tighter
defense. An analysis of the plans
provided by Princess Leia has
demonstrated a weakness in the battle
station. "

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#77 - 2013-12-27 17:15:57 UTC
simple

its harder to hit a fly buzzing around your head than it is to hit one buzzing around the edge of the room
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#78 - 2013-12-27 17:20:45 UTC
Morganta wrote:
simple

its harder to hit a fly buzzing around your head than it is to hit one buzzing around the edge of the room


I wish I had 20ft long arms too :(

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#79 - 2013-12-27 17:30:49 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Morganta wrote:
simple

its harder to hit a fly buzzing around your head than it is to hit one buzzing around the edge of the room


I wish I had 20ft long arms too :(


tisk tisk

spring loaded swatter gun...

hands are for noobs
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#80 - 2013-12-27 17:37:00 UTC
Morganta wrote:


tisk tisk

spring loaded swatter gun...

hands are for noobs


I was using chopsticks

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