Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Since the beginning of time, people have been whining about why there isn't a first person view in ships, why there isn't joystick support, etc.
Now, I don't have a joystick, nor have I ever used one; this would perhaps convince me to buy one.

I'm going to try to keep this as brief as possible since I know people don't like reading stuff that is unnecessary - I am not here to design an implementation, simply here to introduce an idea.

The idea is as follows and involves the following implementations in some form:

1. Joystick support
2. Picture-in-picture view to for "first person" view

Joystick support
Obviously this is a difficult implementation for CCP and obviously, the player base understands if it takes years to do this. This game isn't built like flight simulator so a lot of vector arithmetic will probably be necessary.
Some may complain that gameplay will be harder or unfair for some...
EVE doesn't tick fast enough for this to be possible! - We're not talking about real time movement, we're talking about the joysticks emulating mouse clicks in given directions based on how the joystick is manipulated. If you want real-time joystick movement, play freelancer or flight simulator.
Two people will be able to play at the helm of one computer (one guy on the joystick, the other clicking on modules etc) - it's already possible to do this, one guy uses the mouse and the other uses keyboard shortcuts for modules. Sure, it probably isn't done, but we wouldn't be introducing the possibility.
Also, won't people with joysticks be at an advantage? - Honestly, joysticks cost a lot less than a graphics card that supports shader 3, so if you're whining about money, stop whining. If portability is an issue, then please, don't humor us all.
Other concerns - Not actually relevant. If this idea gets taken up by the CSM, they will do their best to find faults and if it's really that bad of an idea, it won't be implemented.

Picture-in-picture
This one can actually be done without joysticks. It could even be done now (as in, expansion after next at the soonest, probably). People already play on two monitors, why not introduce the idea that a "first person" view could be displayed on one monitor while the conventional view is on the other. All right, maybe not first person with cockpits and all that, this isn't freelancer after all. A fixed third person view perhaps, just enough so that you could see clearly where the ship is and what it's doing on the main screen while still knowing what's in your field of view.
What about people without dual monitors? - That is why I introduced the idea as picture-in-picture. People with one monitor could simply place a small window somewhere on their views that would mimic the second monitor of the previous scenario.
What about other things, like increased CPU usage, lack of space, etc? - You don't have to use the feature. If it's really that necessary, you shouldn't be running on low-end hardware. EVE-Online is constantly evolving and sooner or later you will inevitably have to upgrade your hardware. EVE-Online has never been a poor man's game. You don't have to spend a lot of money to be successful, but if you're trying to play EVE on a six year old laptop and expect to be on-par with the Swedes with their over-clocked liquid-cooled shiz, then you're way in over your head.

Anyway, those are my ideas and I hope someone approves of them. As a bittervet I generally don't like new stuff but I've come to realize that change is necessary and inevitable for the evolution of a game such as this.

lol real time FPS in eve think of the lag

No, it wouldn't be real time. The joystick would just emulate clicking at a corresponding distance from the center while moved, ie moving the joystick to full left would cause the ship to try and turn 90° to the left on the next tick (each tick in eve is one second, slower if time is being dilated). It would be the same functionality as with a mouse, although easier to achieve (since you wouldn't have to move the camera all the time). In essence, the PiP view would make this possible with the mouse.

EDIT: This addresses your concern as well, De'Veldrin. I should have explained this in my OP.

Umm. no.

Eve is not a flight simulator. And i think CCP made it that way deliberately.......

eve would no longer be a single world, its just not possible with the available technology or budget.

If you were using a ps3/x360-similar joystick... I have a superb layout for ship control.

Thought of it myself.

use the joystick to move the mouse cursor around the screen

Looks like other people said, but I will say again. Eve doesn't have the coding in it plain and simple for their to be any form of analog imput. Ie works via data packets. Also, ships do not have orientation, from a coding point of view, they are dots moving around dots. Your computer interperates a direction based on was at A, now at B, so must be pointing C and probably other stuff (Just assuming because seems the most server kind way to do it) Due to these facts, I prefer the rts form of mouse point and click play. If you want rage, fly with an analog control, pull back and then wait for the data packs to communicate. Am sure you would be raging in no time.

Who even has a joystick these days anyway?

I use a SpacePilot PRO... and I have a ps3 joystick at my disposal as well. Am I wrong?