Science & Industry

Hi,

I returned to Eve after a long break. I stopped playing a month after Tyrannis came out and the PI with it. I thought then that it would be a very lucrative idea to start planetary management and so I did. The subscription ended and now I'm back. But I think that PI is now impossibly non-profitable. Apart from the taxes system there is one thing that really strikes me - a complete lack of demand for PI commodities. The only one I could find to be in slightly better shape was the Recursive Computing Module, which is why I want to execute this schematic. But still why nearly nobody wants to buy PI goods? It wasn't like that during Tyrannis.

Anything involved in POS fuel ALWAYS sells.

Enriched Uranium, Mechanical Parts, Coolant, Robotics. Even Polyaramids and Silicate Glass sell well.

Not sure what source you were using or criteria, but there is plenty in demand. And this is based on sales in Rens, not even Jita.

PI is the most profitable activity in the game going by isk efficiency and since the efficiency rises as you have a larger network of production its both time efficient and scales super well.

Currently P3 items are doing the best but P4 can work if you pick the right items.

Note that hisec PI sucks.

I came here to start my own thread trying to make sense of PI's lackluster isk-generation vs other activities so this thread may as well do. I have 5 plants in a .4 system, 2 storm 2 gas 1 for factory

Stopping in once every 4days my math at my present extraction rates runs about 120mil for the month for the setup. That's inline [sadly] with the claims of 8characters PLEXing only 2 accounts.

Granted its every 4 days, I do not see the revenue scaling w/ any sane degree of added hauling. Especially when I can hop in a Hurricane, blaze around highsec Heimatar and score a 300mil c-type invul within 3-4hrs of heavy scanning.

The theory's cool but just not sane for anyone but the big boys.

edit: to have 3 toons on one account w/ cloaked haulers is not reasonable to me, so pls excuse if you disagree on this view.

It can be profitable, but you have to pick the right location and product.

In hi-sec PI is crap all the taxes and low yield planets..... But in nullsec/wormhole with a bit of effort on 3 toons you can almost doubleplex your account only from PI.

PI is more profitable than ever ... for the POCO owners. For everyone else, though ... yeeeah. Not so much.

So lastly my question is - is it possible to plex an account with high-sec PI without POCO owning, just the commodity stuff?

My opinion.
Definitely maybe, but you wouldn't enjoy it.

Command Center Upgrades = 5
Interplanetary Consolidation = 5
Planetology = 4
Advanced Planetology = 4

Some bad math:
600M per month for a Plex or 20M ISK per day * 30 days.
6.66M per character/day (three characters on the account) or 1.11M/day (6 planets)
A P0 mat that sells at 3.0 ISK would require extraction at a rate of 450Kper day. (About 20K per hour.)
With Command Center Upgrades at 5 you can run two Extractor Control Units (ECUs) with 10 extractor heads each feeding their own launchpad.

Note:
A. You need about 9K per hour extraction on each ECU. This is possible, although maybe difficult.
B. Extraction cycles would be every 12 hours or less.
C. 225k of P0 per ECU. Two per planet. Six planets per character. Three Characters. +8M units of P0 per day.
D. 8M units is 80,000 M3 of cargo. Over a full load in a Epithal per day.
E. Not all P0 are sold at 3.0 ISK or greater, so your planets would need to be set up over a number of different systems.
F. Resetting 36 ECU every 12 hours, launching and hauling would be very time consuming. (average 2-3 hours each day).

Another option: 20M ISK per day isn't that difficult if you run L-4s. It isn't that hard to make 20M ISK in less than 90 minutes with one character. 20M in under an hour isn't unreasonable.

So, while it might be possible to Plex an account using just highsec PI... it isn't a good choice. Other/better options are available.

I make 300mil ISK an hour and I haven't even finished training my skills and only making 1 P3 good. With low skills I have to spend more time hauling than I would otherwise. Once my full production is up and running and I can optimize my hauling and optimize my extraction set up to ideal planets with minimal characters per planet I'll be making 700mil or more an hour playing about 2 hours a day. I'd do better if my laptop could run more clients at once so I could stagger their hauling so that I was never waiting around doing nothing.