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How to Fix People Who Complain About Gifts:
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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#61 - 2013-12-25 07:04:18 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Unwarranted "durr americans all stupid" in this thread.


As an American, myself, I believe my opinion on that subject is a little more valid than an outsider's.
We're definitely not the best and brightest, out there. Our education is for crap, and our country is full of science-denying nitwits, led by theiving lawyers that nobody will force out of office because "they're totally sorry and fully won't ever do it again... they said so on TV".....

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2013-12-25 07:45:19 UTC
There are currently multiple "want to buy" contracts out there for 30 mill ISK or more per ship for the Leopard.

However apparently a super fast 30 million ISK ship that can be flown by any player, even a low skill alt, is a cr@p free bonus that is insulting to players?

Some people are ridiculous.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-12-25 08:00:37 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
However apparently a super fast 30 million ISK ship that can be flown by any player, even a low skill alt, is a cr@p free bonus that is insulting to players?


There will always be players with no clue and no isk, who ***** and whine about eve is hard and unfair.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
tam19711
Barly Active Corporation
#64 - 2013-12-25 08:27:59 UTC
if you remember gifts you got as a child at xmas, you always got what you wanted and then aunties or grandparents got you something you hated. Its the luck of the draw so stop whining. Roll
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-12-25 08:37:21 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Unwarranted "durr americans all stupid" in this thread.


As an American, myself, I believe my opinion on that subject is a little more valid than an outsider's.
We're definitely not the best and brightest, out there. Our education is for crap, and our country is full of science-denying nitwits, led by theiving lawyers that nobody will force out of office because "they're totally sorry and fully won't ever do it again... they said so on TV".....

I never denied any of the above. The problem is, saying things which effectively boil down to "they're stupid and entitled, so they must be an American" paints us all with the same brush. It's unnecessary and it's unappreciated.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Munchize
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-12-25 08:41:44 UTC
People complained about receiving gifts o_O
I thought they were great fun, I also liked reading about the 13 yule lads!
Arela Huren
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-12-25 12:24:43 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:

If the players did not provide content they would not gain as many subs..


Question, Do you "provide content" to make CCP gain subs? or do you "Provide content" because you want to have fun in the game?

If it's the latter it's irrelevant wether CCP gains subs as a result of whatever content you "provide", If it's the first.... why are you even playing this game?
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#68 - 2013-12-25 15:17:30 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
... or you could just give us proper gifts for the 365 days of content we provide the company to brag about.

You mean like their expansions and patches and continued dedication to improving the game?
The only thing your subscription obligates them to provide is an account on their server with which to play the game. There's no contractual requirement for them to do any development or iteration at all.

There's no contractual obligation for me to be grateful for crappy gifts, go figure.



gift.. keyword there

its noy a payment for services rendered, its soemthing that was given for you, a dev spent the 5 mins whatever to alter the minmatar shuttle code, while another photoshopped a new skin in 30 mins the whacked it together and GAVE it to you.

if you cannot understand what a gift is, and how it differs to a payment then Eve is FAR to complex for you.

go back to lego
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#69 - 2013-12-25 15:55:09 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
... or you could just give us proper gifts for the 365 days of content we provide the company to brag about.

You mean like their expansions and patches and continued dedication to improving the game?
The only thing your subscription obligates them to provide is an account on their server with which to play the game. There's no contractual requirement for them to do any development or iteration at all.

There's no contractual obligation for me to be grateful for crappy gifts, go figure.



gift.. keyword there

its noy a payment for services rendered, its soemthing that was given for you, a dev spent the 5 mins whatever to alter the minmatar shuttle code, while another photoshopped a new skin in 30 mins the whacked it together and GAVE it to you.

if you cannot understand what a gift is, and how it differs to a payment then Eve is FAR to complex for you.

go back to lego


Well, the Leopard has actually been around for a while....

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#70 - 2013-12-25 19:37:29 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
There are currently multiple "want to buy" contracts out there for 30 mill ISK or more per ship for the Leopard.

However apparently a super fast 30 million ISK ship that can be flown by any player, even a low skill alt, is a cr@p free bonus that is insulting to players?

Some people are ridiculous.

Scrub.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Scuzzy Logic
Space Spuds
#71 - 2013-12-25 19:50:20 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
I liked the avatar gifts. Better than the random modules. Oh, and the leopard. The leopard is sexy. Do that again.


I would have killed for a santa hat, but prolly next year...

Leopard was a cool gift, same reason I like the Echelon.
Dave Stark
#72 - 2013-12-25 20:40:41 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Momiji Sakora wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
or do what they did a few years ago and give us gifts that didn't suck?

What was the gift you talk about?


go check out the 2011 gifts.


Wasn't that the year they gave us the Echelon?


it was the year they gave us a choice of gifts, and none of them were random bits of junk. sure some choices were vastly superior to others but none of them were just a collection of useless pieces of junk like the last 2 years.

that's why previous year's gifts were better; you could actually pick something that wasn't ****, and even the **** stuff was useful so you couldn't lose even if you picked randomly.
Starden Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-12-25 21:09:09 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Unwarranted "durr americans all stupid" in this thread.


As an American, myself, I believe my opinion on that subject is a little more valid than an outsider's.
We're definitely not the best and brightest, out there. Our education is for crap, and our country is full of science-denying nitwits, led by theiving lawyers that nobody will force out of office because "they're totally sorry and fully won't ever do it again... they said so on TV".....


We still have a good many of the best and the brightest, but it is changing as we continue to move towards rewarding failure and mediocrity and punishing achievement. The exceptions for now seem to be in politics (where greed, lies and corruption are still the ticket for success), professional sports and entertainment.



Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#74 - 2013-12-25 21:26:13 UTC
Starden Arnolles wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Unwarranted "durr americans all stupid" in this thread.


As an American, myself, I believe my opinion on that subject is a little more valid than an outsider's.
We're definitely not the best and brightest, out there. Our education is for crap, and our country is full of science-denying nitwits, led by theiving lawyers that nobody will force out of office because "they're totally sorry and fully won't ever do it again... they said so on TV".....


We still have a good many of the best and the brightest, but it is changing as we continue to move towards rewarding failure and mediocrity and punishing achievement. The exceptions for now seem to be in politics (where greed, lies and corruption are still the ticket for success), professional sports and entertainment.





I mostly worry about the science-deniers and fundie religious types.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Anthony Blunt
Appenzeller Kantonal Bank
#75 - 2013-12-25 22:07:22 UTC
Some short time ago it was very popular in eve to have a quote from machiavelli in your sig. One such quote that has really influenced me is about generosity.

Quote:
“Since the desires of men are insatiable, Nature prompting them to desire all things and Fortune permitting them to enjoy but few, there results a constant discontent in their minds, and a loathing of what they possess, prompting them to find fault with the present, praise the past, and long for the future, even though they be not moved thereto by any reasonable cause.”
The Discourses: II, Preface


Generosity is a trap for the established leader, once you give something people expect more and when they do not receive ever improving gifts they forget their joy at the gifts they once enjoyed and curse their benefactor as misers.

It is an ugly side of human nature, something for people in business to beware of.

"if you're not having fun in a sandbox, it's not the Sands fault" Jenn aSide
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#76 - 2013-12-25 23:25:36 UTC
Anthony Blunt wrote:
Some short time ago it was very popular in eve to have a quote from machiavelli in your sig. One such quote that has really influenced me is about generosity.

Quote:
“Since the desires of men are insatiable, Nature prompting them to desire all things and Fortune permitting them to enjoy but few, there results a constant discontent in their minds, and a loathing of what they possess, prompting them to find fault with the present, praise the past, and long for the future, even though they be not moved thereto by any reasonable cause.”
The Discourses: II, Preface


Generosity is a trap for the established leader, once you give something people expect more and when they do not receive ever improving gifts they forget their joy at the gifts they once enjoyed and curse their benefactor as misers.

It is an ugly side of human nature, something for people in business to beware of.


To be fair, Machiavelli was half-past-crazy... which is, admittedly, a hallmark trait of both geniuses *AND* Italians.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2013-12-26 03:29:30 UTC
Starden Arnolles wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Unwarranted "durr americans all stupid" in this thread.


As an American, myself, I believe my opinion on that subject is a little more valid than an outsider's.
We're definitely not the best and brightest, out there. Our education is for crap, and our country is full of science-denying nitwits, led by theiving lawyers that nobody will force out of office because "they're totally sorry and fully won't ever do it again... they said so on TV".....


We still have a good many of the best and the brightest, but it is changing as we continue to move towards rewarding failure and mediocrity and punishing achievement. The exceptions for now seem to be in politics (where greed, lies and corruption are still the ticket for success), professional sports and entertainment.




You forget academia.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Laertes Ansari
Perkone
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-12-26 05:55:16 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
2004-2012. I've been out just over a year. 13F Fire Support Specialist/Forward Observer, US Army. Did a good chunk of my time with 2ID in both Korea, and Ft. Lewis.
Not to get off topic, but thank you for your service. I sure as hell don't have the balls to join and I'd be of better use tackling problems at the source, anyway *coughCongresscough*

Politics aside, Merry Christmas, everyone! I hope the Jewish folk enjoyed their Chinese dinners, as well Big smile

If I ever saw CCP Falcon's character in real life I think I'd politely ask him to kick my ass just so I could brag about it.
Azeroth Uluntil
Last Chance for Redemption
FFEW Associates
#79 - 2013-12-26 09:43:05 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
How to Fix People Who Complain About Gifts:

Dock them a remap, or 5mil SP.



Unsuccessful should be my co-organizer on this one. We think alike.



Confirming this is a good idea. Less butt hurt twits whining in the forums.

Stop whining you pussies. Play the damn game.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#80 - 2013-12-26 09:50:08 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Just “fix” them the same way you do any other unruly pet when it gets to the same age…



7.62 or 9mm? Big smile

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