EVE General Discussion

Yes, and just as with the "N3 server crash magic trick" you can show this in action, right?
Look, don't worry, you're wrong, we get that.

You don't have to continue posting to convince us, and if you want to bring laughs, there are better ways.

Yes, you don't know anything at all.

You think you can show N3 crashing the node? Funny thing: The last few times nodes were crashing, it was in favour of the CFC+RUS. That's why you see the exact same, and exactly as immensely stupid, claim that CFC were crashing nodes deliberately. In Fountain it was TEST+N3+PL having a secret hotline to CCP, able to crash the node. I even heard that Montolio had his very own switch installed on his computer!
In the wars in the South, it's Mittens or DBRB who have the switch and/or hotline.
And of course PL, since all PL members are CCP employees ...

Whatever you take from this, at least become aware that node-crashing is not something done deliberately by N3PL at the moment, since it most often happens while we're giving it rough to CFC/RUS/bl dreads. Furthermore, the entirety of the "crash ALL the nodes"-magic argument is silly.
If you believe it, in either direction, you're a loon.

I think you should go back and see some of the dev. blogs about lag, like the one they did after Asakai. It's not the 4-5 000 drones that crash servers, it's the 2 000 undocked players and the 300 trying to jump in or out.
6VDT was fought on CCPs super & military-grade hardware computer.
Y'know, the one that normally runs Jita?


For the record, my slowcat had ~1 000 drones and 10 fighters when this war started. Half those drones were sentries. That number has only decreased. I don't know where you get your stories from, but they would be easier to believe if they matched reality.

Do you ever tire of being utterly wrong?
If we drop 500 of anything directly on an unprepared node, we risk crashing it. So would CFC or RUS.
If we drop 1 500 of anything directly on a reinforced node, we risk crashing it. So would CFC or RUS.

If the node is already in dire straits, dropping 200 of anything can crash it.
It's not really rocket science or brain surgery. You can go back and read the dev. blogs, or you can see the video of CCP Veritas AMA, where he explains the reasons why you are wrong.
The issues are, in rough relative order: Jumping/undocking/logging in > being on grid > adding more to grid (like drones or missiles) > being in space > adding more to space > being in station > being somewhere else.
The node won't crash because of 50 or 100 new drones, but it may crash if those 50 Titans jump in and the node is already strained.
Do you ****ing get it?

Again, if your scenarios actually took ANY hints from reality, it would be much easier to gloss over your idiocy.

Confirming that crying in GD about slowcats is the only way to fight them.

This topic is not about " my 2b capital ship have to be more OP than some BS".
( i agree with this)
This topic is about :
- capital ships using bonused sub capital weapons ( sentry drones are no different than large guns , that have tracking of medium guns)
- no ewar against assigned drones.
- logistic ship , and carrier IS best logistic ship, taking over DPS role
- capital ships not requiring sub capital fleet to assist

So my , and i think also eve issue is that we have :
- capital ship
- operating outside their main purpose (eg not using triage or siege module for full capital ship capabilities)
- using 'large guns' that have tracking of medium guns
- having bonus for those 'guns'
- those guns are also immune to ewar
- that don't need sub capital fleet for assist.


For the same reason mother ships and dreads lost their drones.

I have to siege my dread to do proper damage , but at the same time in order to use my carrier in fleet i cannot triage.

Yeah, sentries aren't that bad (even if they're still quite a ways above what would seem natural for a L-scale weapon system). Heavy drones, on the other hand, are just nuts. They track better than small turrets, which is wa-a-ay more than they need even to compensate for their own movement.

Garde II — 0.036 rad/s (400m sig res) @ 24+12km optimal.
Mega Pulse II — 0.03375 rad/s (400m sig res) @ 24+8km optimal.

Warden II — 0.012 rad/s (400m sig res) @ 60+30km optimal.
Tachyon II — 0.0139205 rad/s (400m sig res) @ 52.8+20km optimal.

So yes, close enough for something with the same ballpark range.

You didn't get my idea.

BS guns :
- SR Ammo
- MD Ammo
- LR Ammo

When you load your High DPS ammo - you loose usually optimal/tracking ( EMP , Multi, etc)
In order to overcome this you loose most of your tank utility slots.

Carrier
- SR Neuts/Smartbombs/Lt Drones
- MD Range Gardes
- LR Wardens/Curators

You just refit/change drones. You maintain most of your tank/ utility slots ( this is a carrier) while omi are affecting your drones.

When i load EMP ammo to Arty guns my Range is reduced by 50% , and i got still the same tracking.
When i deploy High DPS gardes - their range is not affected , and they still have tracking speed 0.036 rad/sec on 24k and not 0.009 rad/sec on 12k.

You cannot compare Blasters to Drones, as at the range of 10k you are going to use Smartbombs, or different type of drones.

Yes main tracking looks like large guns - but when you take into consideration :
- number of drones
- their cycle time
- changing type based on range
- 'fleet' of slowcats
- locking speed of ship that have all drones assigned ..

Calculations will get you to the point that drones at some point can actually track like medium guns.
Medium guns will not hit for full damage fast moving targets , but in case of drones simply not all of them will hit.

EDIT:
"Still doesn't invalidate your point though."
:)

I just want to put all things on their place:
- Logistic capital Ships : Carriers
- DPS capital ships : dreadnoughts
- No bonused (L) Guns on (XL) capital ships.
- Triage/Siege needed for full capital capabilities
- Sub cap fleet required to support capital fleet.
- Ewar for drones

Bring less numbers and use proper ships, cannot possibly go wrong. What happened to archonswarm? What happened to Omegafleet?

Other than bombers they are the only ship that can really fight outnumbered, but they sacrifice on grid mobility to do so and at a fairly high SP requirement.