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Other ways of getting into incursions

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Carserea
Incursions Missions and Mining
#21 - 2013-12-24 00:42:13 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:


Well I know Warp to Me has official declared that RNI are no longer being accepted in fleets (I've been on the mailing list for a while) and while TVP does appear to be partly accepting them, with only 60m ISK in the bank I can't even afford to refit the ship for incursion operations. Let alone replace it if I loose it.

If I ever get a pirate ship I'd probably get the nightmare since its uses caldari BS skills. Though its still rather academic considering the highest gunnery skill I have is small hybrid guns 4 (yes that how bad I am in the guns department).

Really my avatar is more and more taking on my real life expression.


Train up for large Hybrids T2 and once you have T2 Blasters at IV roll out that Rokh and try again. I fly with DIN and even they will accept Rokh's in fleet (sometimes...). As Kithran pointed out your support skills are low, Incursions (HQ's) can be tough on low skilled pilots due to heavy Alpha's and Neuting BS's so maybe wait a while and skill up a bit more before trying Incursions, after all Incursions are (and I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this) regarded as End game content for High Sec players.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-12-24 02:05:58 UTC
Some pilots are flying multi billion ISK ships that will be destroyed if you fail to properly logi them. This is why some fleets can be more demanding than others. If you spent three billion ISK on a battleship wouldn't you want the logi pilot to have enough skill to keep you targeted or maybe not run out of cap? Don't get too upset if they are demanding because it's for good reason.


I'm not sure if you have it but if not download Evemon and make a skill plan. Eve is about setting long term goals. Find something you want to do and get really good at it.

One of the biggest mistakes new pilots make is not focusing. I'm no exception.... I was all over the place and I was terrible at first because of that. Be good at ONE THING first. If it's flying a Raven for missions then do that. If it's logi in incursions do that. Don't be a "Jack of all trades" in Eve because you'll just end up being bitter when you fail. After you get really good at that one thing then branch off into other things.


Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#23 - 2013-12-24 02:43:42 UTC
Logi V is good skill. Most Scimi/oneiros fit are unflyable (cap unstable) without logi 5. Guardian/basi doesnt have that kind of problem if you have other logi to pair with.
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#24 - 2013-12-24 05:25:07 UTC
Lol

Try doing an incursion fleet where evreybody has their skills at III and IV.

see how much you enjoy that. you're a shitlord
Shalashaska Adam
Snakes and Lasers
#25 - 2013-12-24 05:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalashaska Adam
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Lol

Try doing an incursion fleet where evreybody has their skills at III and IV.

see how much you enjoy that. you're a shitlord


My incursion nightmare has gunnery at V and that is about it, still gets 100,000 ehp, cap stability, and 875dps @ 45km.

To the OP, many incursion communities will accept a level IV logi, some communities work on a first come first serve.

If a fleet commander calls for people, and you pass the minimum requirement (IV), and X-up before a V, you get in.

The Basilisk with IV works just fine, I've been in fleets where billions worth of ships have been entrusted to them.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#26 - 2013-12-24 06:53:54 UTC
Expected to read some hints how to disguise oneself as Sansha. Left disappointed.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-12-24 07:55:05 UTC
You want to make cash, but you want to make it at the expense of the rest of the fleet. As such, you're going to be a drain on the rest of the fleet, and this is especially true when it comes to the logistics. In vanguards, there's two logi pilots, and when one isn't pulling his weight it puts undue stress on the FC and the other logi pilot.

You are acting just like the Rokh pilot who trained Caldari Battleship 1 and expects to get into fleets immediately because he has the skill to fly the ship.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#28 - 2013-12-24 14:29:29 UTC
If the OP doesn't want to finish logistics training, then the OP should certainly not try to mess around with the rokh, which would be a whole lot of gunnery training just to end up with a still-inferior dps ship. Either train your basilisk and do incursions, or train your tengu/CNR and forget about incursions for awhile.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Good Posting
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-12-24 18:38:56 UTC
If you want to train more skills for the Tengu and the Raven that's fine. Run missions, mix them with some combat exploration here and there and when you have some isk create an alt and train it for logistics.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Don't rush things, have a little of patience, relax and enjoy eve.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-12-24 18:56:53 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
If you want to train more skills for the Tengu and the Raven that's fine. Run missions, mix them with some combat exploration here and there and when you have some isk create an alt and train it for logistics.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Don't rush things, have a little of patience, relax and enjoy eve.


why would I want to create an alt? I'll just train it on Paul.
Good Posting
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-12-24 19:06:06 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Good Posting wrote:
If you want to train more skills for the Tengu and the Raven that's fine. Run missions, mix them with some combat exploration here and there and when you have some isk create an alt and train it for logistics.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Don't rush things, have a little of patience, relax and enjoy eve.


why would I want to create an alt? I'll just train it on Paul.


Because it lets you train stuff that you don't like in your main. I have two accounts, main focused in combat and the alt flies falcon, logistics and now it is training boosting skills.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#32 - 2013-12-25 16:16:18 UTC
Logi is one of the fastest ways of getting into incursions if you start from scratch. Getting Logi 5 (and rest of the relevant essentials to 5) is approx 6 months. It takes substantially longer to properly max a dps boat (which is usually a pirate BS) for a good-income incursion fleet.

There are some incursion communities that take anything (almost) but as far as I understand the isk is not very good. I would even go as far as to say it might not be better than running lev 4's with the same skills.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.

Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-12-25 17:37:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Carniflex wrote:
Logi is one of the fastest ways of getting into incursions if you start from scratch. Getting Logi 5 (and rest of the relevant essentials to 5) is approx 6 months. It takes substantially longer to properly max a dps boat (which is usually a pirate BS) for a good-income incursion fleet.

There are some incursion communities that take anything (almost) but as far as I understand the isk is not very good. I would even go as far as to say it might not be better than running lev 4's with the same skills.


For me its about 2 months to have a chance at getting into incursions but no way am I grinding for that considering that Scimitar is preferred.

So I'm giving up on incursions. Give it 6 months and they'll no longer be accepting anything but pirate ships anyway.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-12-25 18:30:34 UTC
It doesn't matter any more as I've had to sell the ship to replace my RNI after it got destroyed by rats when I was scrambled by frigates.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#35 - 2013-12-25 19:05:51 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Several points about Incursions, and not understanding the whole communities responses.


If your losing ships to mission rats you are definitely not going to have anything to offer an incursion fleet. As the whole point of time invested in training equating to performance boosts in ability, and then massive boosts in earning is what EVE is all about. If your frustrated that you aren't earning enough to fly 2 billion ISK ships it is probably because you haven't trained enough to fly them either, thus the adage 'Don't fly what you can't afford to lose'. That applies in reverse order as well, if you can't afford to lose it you probably don't have the skills to fly it (Appropriately) anyway.

I will say this again, in it's own line so it doesn't get lost in translation; Scimitars are preferred for some fleets and Basi's are preferred for other fleets, there will never be a time that one is exclusive to the other.

And training to fly any ship with perfect skills should be the goal, not something to avoid, otherwise your never going to see them work the way they are designed. Training a skill till it exceeds one day and then stopping is akin to buying a sports car, and never taking it out of first gear.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#36 - 2013-12-25 19:22:16 UTC
Incursions are not for brand new players.

You need to do something else first.

Run Missions till you have enough isk that a few 100 million is not that much for you.
(( Combat pilots ))

Mine away as you train up a perfect logi. (( Industrialist ))

Trade away at a hub until you have skills ready for a chosen ship. (( Traders ))

Eve is a long term game. It's built to be that way like no other game. If you can't be patient you will fail at Eve.

Have a variety of high level ships/skills and get into incursions with ease.
FunGu Arsten
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-12-26 14:04:07 UTC
Another pubbie who heard about incursion isk and wants a piece if the pie with as little time/effort invested on the alt...

OP:
Your knowledge about the game is bad, your motivation and attitude are terrible( wich is the reason we cant help you), and lets face it: you wont last long in any decent community.

When i get home ill contract you a drake so you can fuckoff in lvl 3-4 missions unttil you realise that you might have to "train some skills"
- Invest skill,isk nd time into your ship/community and then yes you'll get spacerich.
Until then continue to put as little effort into an online multiplayer spaceship game, preferd, as far away from incursions as possible...

Just some tough love, incase you didnt realise how bad you are
Fungu Arsten
Torskelrak
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#38 - 2013-12-26 15:02:55 UTC
One word of advice, been playing a very long time and tried all eve has to offer. I have struggled to ISK for years until I made friends.. Hang out with people first and get to know them, after all EVE is an MMO...
1991 Dragon
Lumbridge Corporation
#39 - 2013-12-26 15:11:53 UTC  |  Edited by: 1991 Dragon
Out of curiosity, how likely is a Golem to be accepted into an incursion. I'd like to get into incursions eventually but I chose missiles when I started playing :(
Sorry to hijack thread
edit; 25 days for a level 5 isn't that bad IMO, i'd just bite the bullet and go for it. Currently i'm 30 days from Caldari battleship V
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-12-26 15:40:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
1991 Dragon wrote:
Out of curiosity, how likely is a Golem to be accepted into an incursion. I'd like to get into incursions eventually but I chose missiles when I started playing :(

Sorry, but its guns or go home.

There is no reason you can't train guns though. Go for lasers and a Nightmare.
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