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A FEW IDEAS

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Zainawa Barviainen
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-12-23 11:51:31 UTC
Hello. So before i left in 2010 due to the death of my son, i played from 03 to 2010. I just wanted to post a few ideas and get the community's feed back on the ideas. Id like to ASK people to not troll. But cmon, this is eve online, trolling is a given.


1. Recruitment Channel.

Now with this channel, the spam is always the same and this is how it is, however, there are players who just join that channel to post kill mails, brag, troll, find war targets and generally make the channel very unpleasant. If i were a new player and i joined that channel. It would in fact put me off joining a corporation. I would assume the community was as horrible as the channel members.

Answer: ISD members should be in the channel at all times, not talking or even saying hello. Simply banning people when they swear/troll other people. It is a recruitment channel. The bans should be 7 days long. If they rejoin on alts to continue. Action should be taken against there accounts.

2. War Decs.

Now we all know that war is part of eve online. This i have always understood. However, this being said, the war itself is becoming a joke. Alliances in empire like Marmite, wh0res, PIRAT, Devils. Simply war decking every corp in sight, to what end? None, to score skills against players who cannot fight back. To keep EvE at war. In effect, yes, justifiably. but the system needs to change. These alliances often don't score any kills at all.

Answer: The war dec system needs to be changed. If no kill is made by the aggressor in 48 hours. The war is invalidated by concord as an illegal war. You should have to HUNT your targets if you declare war, not sit outside market hubs waiting for cheap ganks. Increase costs to declare war. 50million ISK is nothing when a plex can be brought i.e meta gaming. Make war decs 200 million ISK minimum. You want war? Earn it.

3. Neutral RR.

Now CCP tried to fix this by inventing the suspect timer. It did not work. People still use RR from 50/60 KM away on suspects outside non busy stations/gates. people attempt to fight, they are killed. There is no reason the RR should be allowed to continue.

Answer: Make RR on neutral targets a concordable offence, not a suspect timer. A simple, concord comes in and kills them. U should not be able to receive help from random people or from neutral alts.

4. High Sec Ganking.

In high sec, anyone can be killed, any where by a gank of destroyers. This is what, a mechanic? No, it's an abuse of a free weapons system.

Answer: Make 0.9/1.0 Secure for new players. have concord issue an injuction on weapons activitating on neutral targets. We want more players? Give them a sense of secuirty.
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#2 - 2013-12-23 12:02:30 UTC
Zainawa Barviainen wrote:

1. Recruitment Channel.
Answer: ISD members should be in the channel at all times, not talking or even saying hello. Simply banning people when they swear/troll other people. It is a recruitment channel. The bans should be 7 days long. If they rejoin on alts to continue. Action should be taken against there accounts.


CCP has limited resources at hand. Monitoring a channel 24/7 and filtering out everything in all languages (who knows that that russian is calling you behind your back? And banning people for 7 days because they say something you dont like? There's an ignore feature for a reason

Zainawa Barviainen wrote:

2. War Decs.

Answer: The war dec system needs to be changed. If no kill is made by the aggressor in 48 hours. The war is invalidated by concord as an illegal war. You should have to HUNT your targets if you declare war, not sit outside market hubs waiting for cheap ganks. Increase costs to declare war. 50million ISK is nothing when a plex can be brought i.e meta gaming. Make war decs 200 million ISK minimum. You want war? Earn it.


Increasing the costs of war decs isnt a bad idea, invalidating it after 48 hours is. All a carebear alliance has to do is stay docked for 2 days and they're safe to afk rat and use their bots to mine again. If there's a feature that invalidates a war after 48 hours there should also be a way to kill/eject people docked up in a station.
Zainawa Barviainen wrote:

3. Neutral RR.

Answer: Make RR on neutral targets a concordable offence, not a suspect timer. A simple, concord comes in and kills them. U should not be able to receive help from random people or from neutral alts.


Your "fix" wouldnt work. What if you asked someone to rep you and you then engaged in a duel? You'd get a duel and the guy repping you would get concorded. Also bring friends if they have friends, this is EVE, its not supposed to be fair.

Zainawa Barviainen wrote:

4. High Sec Ganking.

Answer: Make 0.9/1.0 Secure for new players. have concord issue an injuction on weapons activitating on neutral targets. We want more players? Give them a sense of secuirty.


Ganks rarely happen in 0.9/1.0 and if they do its on untanked ships hauling hundreds of millions up to tens of billions worth of ISK. Those are not new players, new players dont get ganked in 0.9/1.0 as long as they have a valid mining permit.

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Lion Ahishatsu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-23 12:19:15 UTC
a new play paying a mining permit for 10.000.000 well if you can do that after 1 week or 2 of mining ok ok
as sidenote i never did buy a permit and will never buy one the new order is a joke for a true miner and i dont mean
afk macks and bots
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#4 - 2013-12-23 12:42:28 UTC
Lion Ahishatsu wrote:
a new play paying a mining permit for 10.000.000 well if you can do that after 1 week or 2 of mining ok ok
as sidenote i never did buy a permit and will never buy one the new order is a joke for a true miner and i dont mean
afk macks and bots



"joke for a true miner" Lol. Its a joke for the people running it.
Maxwell Hekami
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-12-23 15:32:47 UTC
Agree! Signed
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-12-23 20:35:22 UTC
Yes! PLEASE make neutral RR of suspects CONCORDable! I promise I will never use this to destroy literally. every. incursion. fleet. ever.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-12-23 20:41:25 UTC
I disagree with virtually all of these ideas. The only "problem" I agree needs some fixing is wardeccing.. I'm not 100% satisfied with it yet. You need to stop abuses on both sides of a war dec.. not just the grief deccers. The systems we have now is better than what you are calling for.

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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#8 - 2013-12-23 21:12:57 UTC
1. Bragging and killmails make a good advertisement for the corp.
2. Agree only on increasing cost part.
3. Current crimewatch system is ok. Bring more friends.
4. Ganking is a viable profession in EvE. High-sec space doesnt mean "safe", it means guaranteed ship and sec status loss for offender. Nothing less, nothing more.

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Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#9 - 2013-12-23 21:17:52 UTC
Op should definitely biomass

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Vindicta Odium
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-12-23 21:18:54 UTC
I would be happy with these changes. Signed.

Until wardec's are changed, the concepts of high security, and empire space are meaningless. Because griefer corps. can wardec every legitimate corp they see. Tech three ships slaughtering Mining barges/ Exhumers for cheap killmails don't make you look good at PVP. They just make you look like a**es.

Vindicta Odium
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-12-23 21:25:57 UTC
I think a better fix for the neutral RR though would be to make all ships that join a fleet with a majority of corp members that are currently in a war be made viable war targets for the time they are in the fleet.

Until wardec's are changed, the concepts of high security, and empire space are meaningless. Because griefer corps. can wardec every legitimate corp they see. Tech three ships slaughtering Mining barges/ Exhumers for cheap killmails don't make you look good at PVP. They just make you look like a**es.

Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#12 - 2013-12-24 00:13:13 UTC
The solution to the neutral RR problem is so simple, I don't know why CCP haven't implemented it.

In lowsec, going suspect causes gate guns and station guns to shoot at you. It should do the same in Hisec.

In lowsec, warping off grid and then coming back is enough to make the guns forget all about you until you commit another suspect offence. Hisec should be different somehow... there should be... higher security? Hisec sentry guns should engage all suspects all the time, regardless of whether or not the crime they committed was on-grid.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#13 - 2013-12-24 00:47:35 UTC
hell no.

1) cant really see it working without allocating a ton of man hours for ppl to sit and watch a channel. i bet CCP wished they had that kind of money to burn.

2) not really needed. there are plenty of ways to avoid a dec. if anything, the cost of a war dec should be lowered and allies able to join either side. having fewer but larger wars will simplify things and put more ppl in the mix. more ppl, more targets, less wars with no kills (hopefully)

3) suspect flags for neut RR means that anyone can shoot them, they also share a weapons timer with the ship they are repairing. have some friends cover u during fights and/or bring ur own RR. basically bring friends. if u have no friends, then be more sociable, this is an MMO after all.

4) ganking always has been and always will be part of eve. just like wars there are MANY things u can do to avoid ganks. noobs already have their starter and career systems where ganking is disallowed. they dnt need anymore invulnerable systems.

all ur ideas after the first would take away from the harsh sandbox that is eve. all players, including new ones, have to come to terms that this is not an easy and friendly game. they either HTFU or GTFO.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs