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Cyber SGB
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-12-22 17:06:39 UTC
I without a shadow of a doubt, believe some people take this game, way too ******* serious.

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#42 - 2013-12-22 17:32:58 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Lol
WTS Industrial-sized lot: 4x Roll Aluminum Foil 3m width by 5,000m length. Perfect for hats!


So you don't think giving everyone in the game a free one will impact the people trying to sell them? Imagine being stuck with dozens of now worthless T2 mods you're trying to sell.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#43 - 2013-12-22 17:41:20 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:

You're obviously not in the business of producing Tech 2. This pretty much guts anyone who produces these items, making entire PI and POS chains obsolete due to the market suddenly flooding with goods.

It's CCP messing with the sandbox again. Now production has to worry if CCP will simply start spawning goods they produce. To make a PvP comparison, it's like that time they had an 'event' to help clear out all those alliance POS in Fountain with CCP spawned dreadnoughts and fleets.

I wonder which alliance they're helping this time?

I understand just fine what it means. However it's still pretty small potatoes. T2 data/relic analyzers and core/expanded probe launchers. Not worth getting very upset over. But it's worth getting CCP to recognize the issue, so I suppose you have a point.

It is pretty small potatoes seen from a general game perspective.

The value of the injected modules aren't enough to cause any real impact on the overall market.

But it's more than enough to cause a real impact on the market for those specific modules.

Setting up a T2 production chain (even if it's just modules) isn't exactly trivial, nor cheap, so having that specific market shot dead will have an impact for some players.

On the other hand, stuff like this happens every time something is tweaked in the game, and often with much deeper impact.

Ships/modules go from more or less unused to FOTM and the market for all related modules and materials goes bananas.

It's simply a part of the game for any T2 manufacturer.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Winchester Steele
#44 - 2013-12-22 18:20:43 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the effort they put into the whole Yule Lads thing and I realise that anything CCP injects into the game is going to cause ripples one way or another but really, giving away T2 modules just is a "no go" kind of thing. T1 modules can also be npc drops and thus those are less of an issue but T2 items are all player produced and while they're "just" T2 data and relic analysers it does affect supply and demand for a player created product, effectively fcking over anyone producing or trading these (and no, I'm not one of them).

CCP shouldn't interfere with the market on specific items (be they Ishuk Scorpions, Magnates, T2 modules or whatever other silly thing they may come up with) like that, one would have thought they'd have learned that by now. Ideally they'd only give away stuff that's without any sort of use and doesn't interfere with any existing product but realistically that'll be quite difficult and costly to come up with something new every time, but they should at least realise what NOT to do.




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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#45 - 2013-12-22 18:24:48 UTC
This won't do anything to the market. Drones and T2 modules die all the time. The only market items we got that are permanently devalued are the clothes.... but those items were amongst the cheapest ones, anyhow. It's not like they gave everyone a monocle or a robot arm.

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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#46 - 2013-12-22 18:28:14 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
I would be surprised if this caused a blip let alone the crash of the markets.


Basically this. A load of T1/T2 junk is basically nothing. 30 Ishukone Scorpions are something totally different, OP.


This! These mods are common and have low value the value of IWS was around 20+ billion before they started to seep onto the market (the secret ones) causing a huge market cost drop causing all types of strife.
Damasi DeFanel
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2013-12-22 18:44:46 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Lol
WTS Industrial-sized lot: 4x Roll Aluminum Foil 3m width by 5,000m length. Perfect for hats!


So you don't think giving everyone in the game a free one will impact the people trying to sell them? Imagine being stuck with dozens of now worthless T2 mods you're trying to sell.


a) everyone in the game really means Everyone who can be bothered to click the link and claim a prize, THEN redeem it.... which i assure you isnt going to be "everyone"

b) Loss through suicide ganks, gate camps, mission fubars, overheating damage etc really negates how much ONE item per person is going to effect the overall economy of said item.

c) Really doesnt make the entire stock of the T2 mod given away "worthless"

Eram, we are going to need a hell of alot more of that foil.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-12-22 19:01:48 UTC
I want BPOs for the Rookie ships =)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-12-22 19:02:51 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
The gifts from the Yule Lads are great. Doesn't matter if they're top of the line or bottom of the barrel, the price is right and it's the thought that counts.

Each year I look forward to and love the fact that CCP does this type of thing. This is something they do that's above and beyond the call of duty as game designers.

Bottom line - if people can't say anything nice about CCP's generosity at this time of year, then they shouldn't say anything at all.


DMC


Edit :

Retracted an incorrect statement made towards the OP.

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#50 - 2013-12-22 19:10:35 UTC
Damasi DeFanel wrote:

b) Loss through suicide ganks, gate camps, mission fubars, overheating damage etc really negates how much ONE item per person is going to effect the overall economy of said item.

c) Really doesnt make the entire stock of the T2 mod given away "worthless"



Prices on them dropped below material values. That's 'worthless' enough for most people.

By the by: how many scan probe launcher 2's do you think get lost due to overheating, per se? gate camps are pretty much the only place you might lose one of those, since they're not used in missions and don't, IIRC, allow overheating,

These are not items like T2 turrets or ammo that get burned through quickly. The Scan probe launcher one will impact the market for the foreseeable future, if even 20% of the people bothered to click twice to get theirs. And they will, because CCP doesn't tell you what you'll get, it's a surprise. So more people will click on the off chance that it's something good.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#51 - 2013-12-22 19:11:18 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
The gifts from the Yule Lads are great. Doesn't matter if they're top of the line or bottom of the barrel, the price is right and it's the thought that counts.

Each year I look forward to and love the fact that CCP does this type of thing. This is something they do that's above and beyond the call of duty as game designers.

The OP claims these free gifts are game breaking actions yet wants to have free Neural Remaps to change attributes in order to train specific skills faster. That can also be considered as game breaking actions and I personally don't see any difference between the two.

Bottom line - if people can't say anything nice about CCP's generosity at this time of year, then they shouldn't say anything at all.


DMC


Show me where I mention remaps.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-12-22 19:17:25 UTC
Ahhh, my mistake and I'm sorry.

Oops

Seems I saw someone else saying that so I'll retract my statement asap.



DMC

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#53 - 2013-12-22 19:39:12 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:

Prices on them dropped below material values.


Sounds like it's time to stop crying and start putting up buy orders then. They're not going to stay that way forever.
Na Kahm
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-12-22 20:22:42 UTC
Big smile IB4L, as I am sure it will be soon

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Adeena Torcfist
R3b3llium
Get Off My Lawn
#55 - 2013-12-22 21:59:04 UTC
I manufacture many T2 items. the give away is so insignificant, its not even going to effect me. Your reading way too much into this, & considering ships go boom a lot, & new alts/members etc join or existing people complete the skills to use the modules, they will still sell.

Even if the price was to be reduced a tiny little bit, everything else to make that said item will also drop. allow for fluctuations. so.....

Dear CCP:

Moar T2 itemz please Cool





I don't want T1/named stuff, that's what missions & ratting is for.
Abdullah Bahdoon
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-12-22 22:08:07 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the effort they put into the whole Yule Lads thing and I realise that anything CCP injects into the game is going to cause ripples one way or another but really, giving away T2 modules just is a "no go" kind of thing.


But yet can I have your t2 gifts please ?
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#57 - 2013-12-24 04:04:18 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the effort they put into the whole Yule Lads thing and I realise that anything CCP injects into the game is going to cause ripples one way or another but really, giving away T2 modules just is a "no go" kind of thing. T1 modules can also be npc drops and thus those are less of an issue but T2 items are all player produced and while they're "just" T2 data and relic analysers it does affect supply and demand for a player created product, effectively fcking over anyone producing or trading these (and no, I'm not one of them).

CCP shouldn't interfere with the market on specific items (be they Ishuk Scorpions, Magnates, T2 modules or whatever other silly thing they may come up with) like that, one would have thought they'd have learned that by now. Ideally they'd only give away stuff that's without any sort of use and doesn't interfere with any existing product but realistically that'll be quite difficult and costly to come up with something new every time, but they should at least realise what NOT to do.



They handed out a large range of T2 items. I got an t2 expanded cargo hold for example. This minimizes the effect on the market as only a few thousand of each module are handed out. The modules were also very common and enjoy a large sales volume. Would surprise me if what they handed out was a fraction of the amount produced daily so impact will be negligible imo.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#58 - 2013-12-24 04:06:53 UTC
... you know the 12-13 Day of Yule Lads is over when... the "*****-o-meter" starts spiking...

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#59 - 2013-12-24 06:01:12 UTC
As the only producer of Leopards in Eve, I am outraged by CCP seeding the markets with the wares I work my fingers to the bone to create.

My family Fedo farm has also recently taken a huge loss due to a massive influx of fedo-puppy-mill fedos on the market. These inferior Fedos have many health issues stemming from their forced breeding and inhumane conditions of their captivity.

For shame CCP. You are putting small business owners in a tight spot AND are supporting the abuse of Fedos.



For Shame!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#60 - 2013-12-24 06:04:51 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
As the only producer of Leopards in Eve, I am outraged by CCP seeding the markets with the wares I work my fingers to the bone to create.

My family Fedo farm has also recently taken a huge loss due to a massive influx of fedo-puppy-mill fedos on the market. These inferior Fedos have many health issues stemming from their forced breeding and inhumane conditions of their captivity.

For shame CCP. You are putting small business owners in a tight spot AND are supporting the abuse of Fedos.



For Shame!



Liked this post for being a stealth "don't buy your kid a puppy for Christmas" post...

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

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