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Now that the Stratios hasn't ruined BLOPS and PVP in general, how about that 5th sentry drone?
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#21 - 2013-12-20 23:30:00 UTC
Don't touch the highslots. Between a cloak and a probe there are already only three left to start with. Two turrets if you leave a remote armor rep fitted.

Part of the reason for the pre-nerf was drone assist, so it's not entirely unrelated.

If drone assist gets nerfed or if sentries get a nerf then perhaps we'll see the bandwidth go back up to 125. Given that the Emergency Responder has 125 though (in addition to better EHP in all three areas and some other boosts), I don't expect it to ever actually happen.
Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#22 - 2013-12-21 01:47:45 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Don't touch the highslots. Between a cloak and a probe there are already only three left to start with. Two turrets if you leave a remote armor rep fitted.

Part of the reason for the pre-nerf was drone assist, so it's not entirely unrelated.

If drone assist gets nerfed or if sentries get a nerf then perhaps we'll see the bandwidth go back up to 125. Given that the Emergency Responder has 125 though (in addition to better EHP in all three areas and some other boosts), I don't expect it to ever actually happen.


do any of these "Emergency Responder"s actuly exist in game? or are they a prize/gift to some random "insert lotery site here" ???
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#23 - 2013-12-21 02:01:56 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Given that the Emergency Responder has 125 though (in addition to better EHP in all three areas and some other boosts), I don't expect it to ever actually happen.

Exactly.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-12-21 02:10:28 UTC
People just have not gotten how Stratios can be used. Hint: cloaky drone assist, specialized tackle and sniper ranges. It is -extremely- overpowered at that already in good hands.
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#25 - 2013-12-21 02:20:29 UTC
Understanding the maximum capability of a ship goes a long way. In Eve, always calculate the most extreme cases of what something can do, because someone will do it like that.

Warping cloaked is such a huge feature to ships in eve that can. As a defensive and ambush method in combat, it is amazing. Being able to decloak on a gate or something, do massive DPS with assisted drones (as stratios does have a targeting delay), warp off and position yourself cloaked again with (currently) 4 set of sentries, and have a pretty damn good tank considering?

Hold on, let me train all 11 of my multiboxing characters to do this. All i need is the Gallente skill after all.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-12-21 05:17:07 UTC
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
As far as I can tell, the main reason for removing that 25Mb/s from the Stratios was due to premature EFT-warrioring and people complaining that this ship was going to change the face of BLOPS drops across the game.

I've been PvPing in Lowsec since the patch went live and I've been on both ends of BLOPS drops in this time. My alliance has never used a Stratios in a blops fleet so far and we haven't seen a single Stratios get dropped on us so far.

Further, I've been using the Stratios to run exploration sites up to and including 6/10s and whilst I think it is a quality ship, it definitely feels lacking in terms of the higher-end sites. Killing the Crimson Lord in the Blood Raider 6/10 is something of a chore. Even with an extra drone, I feel it wouldn't outshine the Ishtar, given that the Ishtar still has those T2 resists and the range/tracking bonuses. The Ishtar is still a far sturdier boat for PVP in general too, and with the velocity bonuses to heavy drones it can get its damage applied much more easily.

So how about it - can we revert the unnecessary pre-nerf to the Stratios and bring it back to its intended role of being a capable ship for exploration up to and including 6/10s.



+1

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-12-21 05:21:33 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
I've been flying it. It's still grossly overpowered in terms of damage for a cloaking capable cruiser.


disagree. For the price it should fall in line with the best strat crusier.. you'll still have to swap modules back and forth to get it to fill all the rolls it's designed for anyway.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-12-21 05:46:21 UTC
Why not give it 110 mb/s bandwidth. This allows for a utility drone along with the sentries. Will add damage and/or versatility without providing an additional sentry.
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#29 - 2013-12-21 06:36:43 UTC
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disagree. For the price it should fall in line with the best strat crusier.. you'll


That is not how pricing works.

Furthermore, the "best strat cruiser" is fairly overpowered and will be very sad once the t3 rebalance happens, so...
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#30 - 2013-12-21 07:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Barbara Nichole wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
I've been flying it. It's still grossly overpowered in terms of damage for a cloaking capable cruiser.


disagree. For the price it should fall in line with the best strat crusier.. you'll still have to swap modules back and forth to get it to fill all the rolls it's designed for anyway.

That's not how it works.

Power is not determined by the price of an item... price is determined by power (as well as material requirements and rarity). It's a subtle difference... but a big one.
Nothing in EVE is powerful because it is expensive.


But we're digressing.

Cloaking is a very powerful tactic and traditionally ships that can use it are "pre-nerfed" to prevent them from overshadowing their class variants.
Right now the Straios is dangerously close to the Vexor Navy, Ishtar, and cloaky-Proteus in terms of combat capability (even without the drone tracking bonuses)... and is above and beyond what the Pilgrim can ever do (but we'll see what the DEVs have in store for Recons).

How did you Veterans start?
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