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[ISHTI] Declaration of War
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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#61 - 2013-12-20 22:09:59 UTC
Just going to interject here, what's the big deal with the holovid? I thought it was pretty good.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#62 - 2013-12-20 23:03:30 UTC
Ascentior wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Tell me: If you can’t even take the challenge of fighting a war which is brought to your doorsteps, how can you even talk about bringing stability and order to the Empire and defeat to the Shakorites?

I understand that to you, this war is a momentous occasion. You think you are defending your honour, after all.
You searched for someone who will bring your wrath and vengeance to those who have outed you as a disgrace to your ancestors. You found a band of warriors who would take your plight to the stars and inflict righteous fury upon those who you deem unworthy. You (well, someone else) have declared war upon the mighty and stubborn PIE Inc. Watch as you (well someone else) bring this institution to its knees!
To us, it was a Tuesday.

We have a job to do, and the Stormcrows are an inconvenience. We receive more resistance from Shakor's terrorists than your hired sword.

We don't have to fight this war at all.
You know, Ascentior, when you accept that a certain countess, who is known for her bad taste in art and interest in political intrigue, to pretend interest in moderating arbitration, and then can not even wait an hour to properly rephrase the information you think she has extracted from us, we have reason to believe you are acting in a nervous fashion. And below your own standards.

Almost every of your posts here is a ritualistic display of “We don’t care.” What does that tell us about what you really think?

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Aarin Kyasura
Doomheim
#63 - 2013-12-20 23:33:00 UTC
This bit about not having to fight at all translates to "Open season" to my ears. Have fun!
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#64 - 2013-12-20 23:34:55 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Ascentior wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Tell me: If you can’t even take the challenge of fighting a war which is brought to your doorsteps, how can you even talk about bringing stability and order to the Empire and defeat to the Shakorites?

I understand that to you, this war is a momentous occasion. You think you are defending your honour, after all.
You searched for someone who will bring your wrath and vengeance to those who have outed you as a disgrace to your ancestors. You found a band of warriors who would take your plight to the stars and inflict righteous fury upon those who you deem unworthy. You (well, someone else) have declared war upon the mighty and stubborn PIE Inc. Watch as you (well someone else) bring this institution to its knees!
To us, it was a Tuesday.

We have a job to do, and the Stormcrows are an inconvenience. We receive more resistance from Shakor's terrorists than your hired sword.

We don't have to fight this war at all.
You know, Ascentior, when you accept that a certain countess, who is known for her bad taste in art and interest in political intrigue, to pretend interest in moderating arbitration, and then can not even wait an hour to properly rephrase the information you think she has extracted from us, we have reason to believe you are acting in a nervous fashion. And below your own standards.

Almost every of your posts here is a ritualistic display of “We don’t care.” What does that tell us about what you really think?

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest


If PIE exists in a state of perpetual conflict in an area of factional warfare, why would they be nervous of losing more ships except that it may cost the Empire a system someday? It isn't as if your servants can do more than moderately inconvenience them. At least I'm not presently aware of PIE having a mining or industrial branch.

I'm not aware of PIE having altered their modus operendi to account for the few extra red dots on their displays, so I'm not sure why we shouldn't take them at their word that they don't necessarily care enough to do more than voice their annoyance.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#65 - 2013-12-21 00:43:46 UTC
This news saddens me.
Condor Amarr
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#66 - 2013-12-21 01:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Condor Amarr
Just so that I understand this, someone in the Amarr Militia hurt someone else in the Amarr Militia's feelings and so some war decs were thrown around and Merc's hired?

YC110 called, they want their breaking story back.

PS - You guys will definitely be the one's to break the back of PIE, where so many others have failed. Seriously, well done to you.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#67 - 2013-12-21 01:53:58 UTC
So, for all the posturing, I've noticed a decided lack of any input from the mercenary unit in question... Which makes me wonder, has there been any contact? And if so, who came out on top?

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Anslo
Scope Works
#68 - 2013-12-21 02:11:48 UTC
They're mercs, not criers. Their input ended at the form declaration.

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Erin Savonarola
Doomheim
#69 - 2013-12-21 02:15:48 UTC
Dutchess,
I was inclined to agree and advocate on your behalf on some of your points of contention. I do agree that Imperial organizations should not meddle in internal Khanid affairs. Nor should Imperial citizens feel it is their right to determine the veracity of Khanid titles.
That said, the recourse was not to hire mercenaries.

Since you have made unfounded accusations regarding my motives, I will bow out and leave you and PIE to your own devices and simply pray for an outbreak of sanity.
Derek Quaid
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-12-21 02:42:02 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
So, for all the posturing, I've noticed a decided lack of any input from the mercenary unit in question... Which makes me wonder, has there been any contact? And if so, who came out on top?

At the time of this writing, the war report between Stormcrows and PIE shows that Stormcrows have taken down 3 ships, 2 frigates and 1 cruiser, worth approximately 111 million ISK. PIE has scored no kills.

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Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2013-12-21 03:13:27 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
So, for all the posturing, I've noticed a decided lack of any input from the mercenary unit in question... Which makes me wonder, has there been any contact? And if so, who came out on top?


Essentially, I think Stormcrows are annoying PIE while PIE go about their business, so this is something of a one-sided conflict. I don't think PIE is suddenly going to turn around and forget their primary job. They don't really have a choice; they're one of the few elements that sticks around in the war zone without getting bored and leaving, so they're probably a bit too busy to turn around and set up a back-alley rumble with the Stormcrows to decide things.

I'm assuming the Crows will probably drop in during fights and help the Republican forces out a bit, but I doubt highly that a professional mercenary organization which was hired primarily to do damage to PIE's operational abilities is going to set up a time and a place for PIE to bring the biggest weapons they have around. The Stormcrows are not stupid and know how to leverage their weight most effectively.

I'll assume PIE will be frequently ambushed, but isn't really going to stop working. I'd say the question is centered more around the contract Odelya paid for their services. 111 million isn't a lot even for an I.N.D. cleric like myself, and I'll assume that as a decent mercenary organization, the Stormcrows' services do not come cheap. Especially in lowsec, where the Crows may have other issues to deal with (though I suppose that they aren't likely to be bearing a racial flag, so they can avoid some of the factional squabbling PIE does have to deal with).

Either way, I would assume that Odelya will run out of personal funds to pay for them long before PIE runs out of money to replace their losses. In the end, that may be where this war is really fought. It's just a battle of purse-strings.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#72 - 2013-12-21 03:25:13 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
So, for all the posturing, I've noticed a decided lack of any input from the mercenary unit in question... Which makes me wonder, has there been any contact? And if so, who came out on top?


Essentially, I think Stormcrows are annoying PIE while PIE go about their business, so this is something of a one-sided conflict. I don't think PIE is suddenly going to turn around and forget their primary job. They don't really have a choice; they're one of the few elements that sticks around in the war zone without getting bored and leaving, so they're probably a bit too busy to turn around and set up a back-alley rumble with the Stormcrows to decide things.

I'm assuming the Crows will probably drop in during fights and help the Republican forces out a bit, but I doubt highly that a professional mercenary organization which was hired primarily to do damage to PIE's operational abilities is going to set up a time and a place for PIE to bring the biggest weapons they have around. The Stormcrows are not stupid and know how to leverage their weight most effectively.

I'll assume PIE will be frequently ambushed, but isn't really going to stop working. I'd say the question is centered more around the contract Odelya paid for their services. 111 million isn't a lot even for an I.N.D. cleric like myself, and I'll assume that as a decent mercenary organization, the Stormcrows' services do not come cheap. Especially in lowsec, where the Crows may have other issues to deal with (though I suppose that they aren't likely to be bearing a racial flag, so they can avoid some of the factional squabbling PIE does have to deal with).

Either way, I would assume that Odelya will run out of personal funds to pay for them long before PIE runs out of money to replace their losses. In the end, that may be where this war is really fought. It's just a battle of purse-strings.

Sensible as always, mister Baracca. I'm mostly curious at this point.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#73 - 2013-12-21 04:31:04 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:

Sensible as always, mister Baracca. I'm mostly curious at this point.


I wish I could help more. I try to avoid this sort of thing, so I don't know specifics like how much it costs to man and operate PIE nor how much it costs to hire the Stormcrows. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more specific help.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#74 - 2013-12-21 04:46:04 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:

Sensible as always, mister Baracca. I'm mostly curious at this point.


I wish I could help more. I try to avoid this sort of thing, so I don't know specifics like how much it costs to man and operate PIE nor how much it costs to hire the Stormcrows. I'm sorry I couldn't be of more specific help.

Not at all. Answers come with time.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#75 - 2013-12-21 06:49:58 UTC
Erin Savonarola wrote:
Dutchess,
I was inclined to agree and advocate on your behalf on some of your points of contention. I do agree that Imperial organizations should not meddle in internal Khanid affairs. Nor should Imperial citizens feel it is their right to determine the veracity of Khanid titles.
That said, the recourse was not to hire mercenaries.

Since you have made unfounded accusations regarding my motives, I will bow out and leave you and PIE to your own devices and simply pray for an outbreak of sanity.


Thank you for the valiant attempt, Countessa. I applaud efforts to keep honest debate and communication open.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#76 - 2013-12-21 14:32:44 UTC
Well, if we needed any proof that we were absolutely right about Odelya's lack of character we now have it.

I do hope her Alliance has taken note of the fact that she is actively working against the Amarrian militia.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Aethion Mirra
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#77 - 2013-12-21 14:43:41 UTC
One can only pray for the lost souls of those capsuleers who's blown up egos doesn't care for the lives of innocents anymore...

Retired Captain, PIE Inc.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#78 - 2013-12-21 14:53:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Constantin Baracca wrote:
they're one of the few elements that sticks around in the war zone without getting bored and leaving.


That sure is a rather... inventive way to describe it...

Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Well, if we needed any proof that we were absolutely right about Odelya's lack of character we now have it.




The irony.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#79 - 2013-12-21 15:15:44 UTC
Since this is all out in public, would one of the chief participants or antagonists mind clearly explaining what the Casus Belli for this was?

What is the conflict over? Spilled tea? Improper bowing and gesticulating to the proper degree and direction? Using a picture of Jamyl as a hankerchief?

Or are there actual philosophical differences at play? Or merely retribution for some insults?

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#80 - 2013-12-21 15:25:55 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Since this is all out in public, would one of the chief participants or antagonists mind clearly explaining what the Casus Belli for this was?

What is the conflict over? Spilled tea? Improper bowing and gesticulating to the proper degree and direction? Using a picture of Jamyl as a hankerchief?

Or are there actual philosophical differences at play? Or merely retribution for some insults?



Odelya d'Hanguest made some comments not befitting an Amarrian. I amongst others suggested that she was overstepping the bounds of decency. An argument ensued, during which words were exchanged. Since then I understand she's been trying to get her friends and colleagues to declare war on us, but without much luck.

So she's hired mercenaries instead, and has finally persuaded her sister to join the fray as well.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori