Player Features and Ideas Discussion

would that mean the ships do dps on par with other races with all damage types AND have the extra option of doing more dps with kinetic?

cause that would not be balanced. it would have to be something inbetween, where perhaps they do a little less damage with other types but a little extra with kin.

so now its not just the weapon system that makes caldari crap, its their slow speed, large sig and smaller drone bays as well all of a sudden?

vs minnie missile boats, caldari get better cap and tank
vs amarr missile boats, caldari generally have the similar or faster speed and similar sig radius.

and despite all they lack in drones, caldari still have better dps. so other races can bring more ecm drones...thats about all that having a larger drone bay gives to the missile ships of other races.

Oh yeah, Navy Osprey has it too. So Hookbill and Osprey NI have already set the precedent. Anyone who claims this would make Caldari missile boats overpowered is nuts.

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Caldari ships are now "much faster" than Amarr ships? This is news to me...

Just for the sake of argument, let's say that CCP decides to do away with the kinetic bonus (which, in all honesty, I don't see a need for - you're shooting into a resistance hole of one size or another for almost every hull in the game - it's not as if your primary damage is awesome against shields, but crap against armor - like Amarr have it).

What would they replace it with? How would they compensate? What would make you happy?

5% damage bonus? That would give the Drake 7.5 effective launchers for all damage types, plus a full flight of light drones.

I'm not sure how that works out in actual gameplay, but that seems a bit OP in comparison to the other missile boats.

And an ROF bonus? On six launchers? Not going to happen. Even if they take away the drone bay. Too OP.

You're also saying Minmatar missile ships should be weaker than Caldari missile ships. Caldari would need massive nerfing to make that fair which only would make things worse.

it would appear that the OP is dead set in his belife that EVERY other race can choose a specific damage type for a situation...

he completely forgets that:
gallente: the only variance they get is damage projection, all of the hybrid charges are kin/thurm, they just have different optimal/HP damage profiles. have a 5 second reload time.

amarr: crystals only do em/thurm, they can also change crystal type for different ranges, they have a 0 sec reload time (T2/faction crystals take damage apon use and dont stack there after

minmatar: they have a T1 ammo type for every damage type, T2 ammos are locked to Exp/kin. the big bonus of this amo type is operational range dictation throught the use of the guns potimal/falloff and charge modifires, the ammo takes 10 seconds to reload.

caldary (missile platforms) there is a T1 missile for every damage type, there is a T2 missile for every damage type, the ammo takes 10 seconds to reload (40 seconds for rapid launcher types)

a caldari pilot using a missile platform can carry 4 types of ammo to dictate what damage type he wants to use, the downside of this is that if he wants to get the most out of his hull in any given situation then scurge missiles are the way forward, however if he is fighting a ship that is tanked for thurmal damage (and has a glaring EM hole) he is able to switch ammo and do searious damage to the enemy utalising EM missiles and the lack of resistance the enemy has, in the end the caldari pilot is going to be doing about the same damage in EM as he would be doing in THURMAL (give or take a few HP damage)

if you want the caldary to lose this bonus then i propose the following:

removal of all T2 missile types.
removal of thermal & kinetic missile types

introduce the following:

T1 missile with EXP/EM damage type with 4 variations:
-ranged missile increased flight time , larger explosion radious
-precision missile smaller explosion radious, short flight time
-fast missile fast flight speed , reduced flight time , increased explosion velocity
-standard missiles (ones we have now)

T2 close range missile systmes missiles with EXP/THU damage: 2 varients (assuming launcher is of medium size)
-pinpoint missile, shorter (about 30km with max skills before hull modifires) same damage as current T2 missiles with improved explosion radious
-fury improved range (about 75km with max skills before hull modifires) same damage as current T2 missiles with improved explosion velocity

T2 long range missile systems missileswith EM/KIN damage : 2 variants (assuming launcher is of medium size)
-javalin missile, greatly improved flight time/speed , standard T2 damage profile. larger explosion radious
-bolt missile, greatly reduced flight time , greatly improved speed , less damage than standard T2 missile, better explosion velocity/radious (this missile should fly real fast say covering 50odd KM in 3-5 seconds)

remove the bonuses to scurge missiles form all caldari hulls and give them various bonuses like
-fitting/damage
-explosion radious/velocity buffs
-ROF & speed
-Flight time & damage

with tweeks to all existing missile platforms (not just caldari) these new missiles and bonuses would introduce some new fleet doctrins and general fits. "COULD put the caldary back in the fight so to speek

i have not noted drones in this post as i personly belive that they are a different issue altogether, and as far as i am aware most of the hulls in eve have some kind of drone capability.

Maybe they should be, in the sense that Caldari hybrid hulls are typically weaker than Gallente ones and Amarr missile hulls are a bit weaker than Caldari ones. Minmatar are also faster with a smaller signature, so it's not like they don't have some attributes going for them.

Harbinger and Prophecy are faster than a Drake.
Apocalypse is faster than either Scorpion.
Vengeance and Hawk are the same speed.

Overall Amarr and Caldari are roughly on par speed-wise and the speed/agility loss of armor plates and armor rigs is nothing compared to the sig bloom of shield extenders and shield rigs.