EVE General Discussion

We shall see http://i.imgur.com/QkR20JQ.jpg

Thank you for finally responding to an important thread. We are glad to hear that you actually are trying to address it, however, considering node crashes have been a problem for as long as there have been large battles, you must understand our concern.

If this is in each case a programming error, then perhaps you need to start looking at bringing in some fresh eyes to look at the code, or figure out a way to stress test it virtually, instead of forcing your subscribers to continually beta test it for you.

Just saying, 10 years in beta is a bit excessive...

And personally, I'd like to start seeing more Dev discussion on Tidi.
As a combatant in the current war, I can't say anyone is happy with the current solution. It's simply not acceptable to force your clientele to spend 10 hours online fighting a one hour battle.
The only reason I tolerate it now is for the opportunity to shoot Goons, that's really the only reason I come back and play this game anymore
It's really a pity too, this game has had so much potential, but the never ending bugs make it impossible for me to recommend this game to anyone.

Hey guy- when you bring Aeons as your logistics and Titans as your drone trigger, you might be contributing to the length of an engagement.

Just sayin'

Love you buddy

Don't worry, we can take it

let's do this

High load concurrency problems are possibly the worst kind of bugs to spot. They are irregular, rare, unpredictable, it takes a lot of sampling just to find out they happened, SiSi mass tests only find the easier ones that stick out more. Plus EvE is ever changing, so nothing stops some more of these errors to actually add to the old ones.

Don't call Boat entertaining, it encourages him

Yep, I am sure it wasnt the 1000's of drones being launched and abandoned at a high rate by the slowcat fleet.

Apparently the game evolved beyond the developer's control :)
Pretty sure when they created it they didn't have things like Asakai in mind.
However, to this point, it's still pretty unbelievable that a game can pit hundreds (and occasionally thousands)of players in a single coordinated battle.
The game is pretty darn amazing just for that - but now people are asking CCP to allow for even larger scale engagements to be possible - and frankly - I think the current gaming technology simply cannot handle it. Multi-threading would be an improvement but still would not solve the issue. As the CCP man said - the problem is not caused by the load itself but by the errors resulting/appearing in the code when it reaches high loads. Ti-Di addresses that specifically - it slows the flow in order to prevent data from overwriting and generating errors.
But seriously you're talking about 2000 entities fighting 2000 entities resulting in a total of 4000 running scripts (plus adding the neutrals like the system celestial and what not ) and some million or so user command inputs every second. Frankly there are few (commercial) machines at the moment that can handle that and not turn into molten silica.
The only viable solution is for CCP to either multi-thread the code and split the input over different processing channels or to acquire one industrial super-computer that would be used only for cases like Asakai.
However those things cost billions (plus change in maintenance).
Sadly it's a case of maximum available technology and not the unwillingness of the developer - you can't ask CCP to aquire Blue-Gene in order to allow battles in the magnitude of tens of thousands. It will simply not be cost efficient for them or you.

Some game developers have recently started looking into solutions for this and the prevalent idea is that the current client-server architecture is not viable anymore since the load has increased exponentially.
Many propose something similar to cap-chaining - allowing more and more of the node's functions to be equally shared by the clients (something in the lines of a bot-net so to speak), using your own PC's processing power to strengthen the node.

I see about 8 KM's on our boards for Nulli carriers in the DY battle. In cargo, they have this many drones (not counting any already deployed/abandoned/killled):

1455
730
1758
234
851
397
57
385

Yep. In b4 'omg i keep getting too far from my dronez' and 'omg bombz'. Even if the fight didn't have any tidi there's no justifyable reason for this many drones. If you check km's from a few months ago there never used to be this many...maybe even 1/5 as much.

What do you expect? No code is flawless.