Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My Sacrilege and my Vengeance tend to disagree with you here and my Prophecy also likes missiles alot, any damage will do.

Maybe some other fact might be of interest for you, tech2 blaster ammo does kinetic and thermal damage in an 1:1 ratio.

Which is precisely why I tend to favor what they started to do with a couple Caldari hulls: large bonus to kinetic missile damage, half that bonus to all other types. Still lose damage by going non-racial damage type, but it's not nearly as severe as it currently is.

That said, there's a stiff difference between being able to field 2-4 light drones, and being able to field an entire flight of mediums (or 3-5 sentries). Caldari ships tend toward the former, Amarr and Gallente towards the latter, as drones are their secondary "weapon system". The Prophecy, for example, can field 3 sentries or a full flight of medium drones. The Myrmidon can field 4 sentries, or a flight of mediums (or 4 heavy drones, if any actually ever uses those). The Drake, on the other hand, can field a maximum of 5 light drones, 2 medium drones, or a single sentry drone.

Similar on the other of the pair for BCs. Harbinger can field 50 Mb/s. Brutix is 50. Ferox is 25. Even the Hurricane and Cyclone can field more (30 and 50, respectively).

Caldari have without a doubt least options when it comes to drones, and yet have arguably the most crippling of damage restrictions (predominantly Kinetic, some thermal mixed in for their limited hybrid boats). Amarr has EM/Thermal primary, large drone bandwidth secondary (and the drone bays to back that), and any tertiary on their limited missile boats. Gallente has Kinetic/Thermal primary, large drone bandwidth secondary (even larger than Amarr, on average), and no real tertiary. Minmatar have any on their primary, any on their secondary, and moderate drone coverage.

Giving Caldari more options on their primary makes sense. They are very easily the most type-locked of the races, even if you take into account the usual preference for Minmatar and Gallente drones (though changing drones types is a lot less crippling, in general, for a drone boat than changing missile damage types is for a Caldari missile hull).

Caldari get more launchers and a larger bonus in order to compensate for limiting their optimal damage type.

Do the math, and figure out how many EFFECTIVE TURRETS/LAUNCHERS a hull class has.

The Drake, with six launchers, and a 50% bonus, equals NINE effective turrets.

I'm on my iPad, so I don't have access to all of the hull bonuses, but I'm certain someone can make a quick chart.

Sorry have you even looked at the stats of your ships? You either have no idea what are you talking about are you are deliberately requesting an undeserved buff, while offering no penalties.

1) Caldarii ships can fire all missiles not only kinetic. With resist hole on some ships it's much better than a bonus damage. Both amarr and gallente don't have that luxury.

2) Compared to other missile ships (amarr) caldari get much better bonuses to their damage. Moreover T2 ships who have 2 dmg bonuses get one bonus to ALL dmg types, and the other specifically to kinetic. Legion with HAMs gets +10% dmg to all missiles, while tengu gets +5% dmg to all types AND +7,5% RoF to kinetic. Not only your kinetic dmg is insane, but you also get decent dmg to other dmg types.

3) If what you say should be even considered you should at least offer some kind of penalty for that buff.

Bottom line the problem is that missiles suck at the moment but that is a different problem. For me, even though I fly caldari a lot the OP is rubbish. Massive kinetic bonuses + ability to use unbounded other dmg types is a nice trade off and should stick with caldari. Fix missiles instead.

to all except kinetic if we speak about gunboats

The issue at hand is that all turrets do (at least) two types of damage, while missiles, regardless of size or type, always do only one type of damage. This allows greater flexibility but then you limit that flexibility by giving bonus only to kinetic missile damage.
This makes Minmatar missile boats superior to Caldari missile boats in a a number of situations.
I reckon that Rattlesnake would become pretty sucky if it would have bonuses only to Drone kinetic damage, instead of damage of all drones (similarly with Dominix and drone thermal damage, but to a lesser extent, since Gallente drones are still good against all rats except Angels).
Also, lasers have that advantage of being great against typical shield tank PvP setups.

So for some ships like Manticore kinetic damage bonus makes sense, but I would definitely remove it from most Caldari ships, especially the Phoenix (while the thing is great for shooting POSes, unless you're shooting a Minmatar POS or a dickstar, you'll still do more damage with other ammo).

Caldari bonuses are also much more powerful because they apply over MORE missile slots.

All races must have a skew into their main damage type. That is caldari way. Some ships havign kinetic focused bonus.

Want to have all type sof missiel bonus? then the bonus value must diminish.

Excludign the typhoon, what minamtar missile boat is superior (as a damage source since we are talkign about weapons) to the caldari equivalent?


NONE!

Saying that Caldari can use any damage type because they can switch to un-bonused missiles is nearly the same as saying that Amarr can use any damage type by switching to projectile or hybrid turrets. If you throw out the bonuses, than every race can use every damage type. The advantage to caldari here is the ability to do it without refitting.

Perhaps the fix here is to just provide some (albeit expensive) way for bonused omni damage from some missile ship. Perhaps that should be the focus of Mordu's Legion's faction ships - caldari hull omni missile damage bonuses.