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Gallente Epic 4 + Kronos: ideas and tricks?

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-12-16 10:17:38 UTC
Playing with my lovely Kronos in this Arc. Lost few ships on Singularity.... Final fit looked like:
[high]
4x Blasters
1xBastion

[med]
MJD
2xTracking Computers
100MN MWD

[low]
1xReactive AH
2xEANM
1xLAR2
3-4x Magnetic Field Stabs

[rigs]
2xLarge Auxiliary Pump T1

This fit could get me to first crossroad low-sec/high-sec. But it lacks capacitor. Once i had very moment when i was very close to getting out of cap completely.

- I'm thinking about replacing MD with AB. But then in later missions i will meet close-range gallente NPC with speed 1400m/sec.
- second plan is to switch one TC for capacitor booster. But then i lose range.... And some of NPC will orbit at 40.

Don't want to pimp fit. So preferable it will be T2. Maybe switch rigs to T2 too. Not sure if it will help tho: bonus 20% vs 15%.

For comparison shield passive Rattlesnake (T2 fitted) has very easy time with the same missions :(

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2013-12-16 16:41:00 UTC
I'm a bit unsure with where you're having trouble. Are you having trouble with the high-road path? or have you only tested up to "assistance" and have been having trouble with that mission and missions that come before it?

Assistance is one of the nastiest missions, but doesn't have warp scrams. The sheer dps is ridiculous, especially if you aren't specifically tanked for that mission. I would not hit bastion mode here, rather I would recommend triggering the mercenary overlord spawns, leave and warp in at range or MJD out, then use railguns. None of the other missions is as difficult as this one in terms of raw dps, and if you have mobile depot, mjd, mwd, rails, then you can pretty much have your way with everything else.

Since you have a marauder I assume you'll take the high road, in which case I would remind you to DO NOT FORGET THE CARRY ON TOKEN. Also, for carry on, you can blitz the last room without killing anything using mjd/mwd.

Cap booster isn't a bad idea either, you can carry tons of charges, and there are some neuting cruisers in later stages, although I really don't think its necessary, you should be able to kill them quick. Bring null ammo if you have issues with range. Always have a mobile depot and a few fittings variations.

If you're having cap issues you can get a very cheap shadow serp 100mn mwd, which has a 14% cap penalty instead of 19%. You're also relying on omnitanking, which is harder to do. Upgrading one of your eanms to faction for 80m is probably well worth it for your billion isk ship.

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hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#3 - 2013-12-16 19:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: hmskrecik
Quite recently I have finished Gal Epic Arc with new Kronos. Overall it worked nice even though I had a couple of close calls (due to own overconfidence).

The rule numer one: ALWAYS HAVE MOBILE DEPOT IN YOUR CARGO. ALWAYS.

Among other things it means you do not necessarily, not always, have to fit both propulsion mods. You can switch them on field, as situation dictates. And dropping the depot while activating bastion doesn't cost you anything.

It also means you can beef your tank if things go south. This one saved my skin on Assistance which Batelle mentioned. During the Showtime too.

As to your fit, it's nice to have one or two cap mods, be it rig or cap recharger. As a rule of thumb take that ship must be stable when having guns and supporting modules activated. I used to fly with one cap rig and one cap recharger (recharger to be replaced if something else was needed there) and I never had cap problems.

I understand your need not to pimp the ship but the repper is a single thing which you can consider throwing some money on it. Just decide how much you are willing to spend and buy the best one you can afford with this sum.

And like Batelle also mentioned, omnitanking will not take you far. Except for hardest missions single hardener was enough.
Edit: damn mental shortcut. What I meant is that one specific hardener will give you as much protection as this omni tanking setup and when one hardener is not enough, this omni tank will be too weak too.

And before I forget, The Showtime is still the mission with highest dps in this Arc, so even with bastion be careful (or, especially with bastion, because when you deploy you will have to stand against them for whole minute).

HTH
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#4 - 2013-12-17 01:25:15 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Playing with my lovely Kronos in this Arc. Lost few ships on Singularity.... Final fit looked like:
[high]
4x Blasters
1xBastion

[med]
MJD
2xTracking Computers
100MN MWD

[low]
1xReactive AH
2xEANM
1xLAR2
3-4x Magnetic Field Stabs

[rigs]
2xLarge Auxiliary Pump T1

This fit could get me to first crossroad low-sec/high-sec. But it lacks capacitor. Once i had very moment when i was very close to getting out of cap completely.

- I'm thinking about replacing MD with AB. But then in later missions i will meet close-range gallente NPC with speed 1400m/sec.
- second plan is to switch one TC for capacitor booster. But then i lose range.... And some of NPC will orbit at 40.

Don't want to pimp fit. So preferable it will be T2. Maybe switch rigs to T2 too. Not sure if it will help tho: bonus 20% vs 15%.

For comparison shield passive Rattlesnake (T2 fitted) has very easy time with the same missions :(



Some missions don't need the MJD, and some missions probably don't need the MWD, ie I would bring a hut and some cap boosters and refit when required.

I'd always have a cap booster for showtime, its a fairly full on mission for tanking reasons.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-12-17 10:19:53 UTC
thanks for information. I will use it all

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Kenpo
The Guardians of the Beam
#6 - 2013-12-19 18:26:53 UTC
I run the following and have been very successful.

4x Blasters, Neutron II's
3x Tractor beams
1x Bastion Module

1x MWD
2x Tracking computer II's w/range script (tracking scripts in cargo)
1x Cap Recharger II

1x Mission Specific hardner
1x Mission Specific hardner
1x Large Armor Repairer (choose your flavor)
4x Magnetic Stabilizer II's

1x Thermal rig
1x Explosive rig

Ammo: Null L

I supplement the tank with rigs, use whatever drones you think are necessary, I have 5 salvage drones onboard for salvaging missions if I so desire instead of getting out my Noctis. With guns, tracking comps, and hardners running you are cap stable, pulse the repairer on and off when you need it. Current skills and implants I am putting out 1028k with guns alone. Please enjoy responsibly Blink

Caution, rubber gloves and faceshield required when handling this equipment.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-12-19 19:13:46 UTC
Kenpo wrote:
I run the following and have been very successful.

4x Blasters, Neutron II's
3x Tractor beams
1x Bastion Module

1x MWD
2x Tracking computer II's w/range script (tracking scripts in cargo)
1x Cap Recharger II

1x Mission Specific hardner
1x Mission Specific hardner
1x Large Armor Repairer (choose your flavor)
4x Magnetic Stabilizer II's

1x Thermal rig
1x Explosive rig

Ammo: Null L

I supplement the tank with rigs, use whatever drones you think are necessary, I have 5 salvage drones onboard for salvaging missions if I so desire instead of getting out my Noctis. With guns, tracking comps, and hardners running you are cap stable, pulse the repairer on and off when you need it. Current skills and implants I am putting out 1028k with guns alone. Please enjoy responsibly Blink



Is that your regular mission fit or have you run it through the epic arc successfully as well?
Kenpo
The Guardians of the Beam
#8 - 2013-12-19 19:31:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenpo
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Kenpo wrote:
I run the following and have been very successful.

4x Blasters, Neutron II's
3x Tractor beams
1x Bastion Module

1x MWD
2x Tracking computer II's w/range script (tracking scripts in cargo)
1x Cap Recharger II

1x Mission Specific hardner
1x Mission Specific hardner
1x Large Armor Repairer (choose your flavor)
4x Magnetic Stabilizer II's

1x Thermal rig
1x Explosive rig

Ammo: Null L

I supplement the tank with rigs, use whatever drones you think are necessary, I have 5 salvage drones onboard for salvaging missions if I so desire instead of getting out my Noctis. With guns, tracking comps, and hardners running you are cap stable, pulse the repairer on and off when you need it. Current skills and implants I am putting out 1028k with guns alone. Please enjoy responsibly Blink



Is that your regular mission fit or have you run it through the epic arc successfully as well?


Regular mission fit, have not tried the epic arc yet with this fit, that will be this weekend most likely Smile

On a related note, if you feel you need more tank with this setup you can drop a mag stab in favor of a DCII or EANM II mod, my dps with that setup is 970.2.

Caution, rubber gloves and faceshield required when handling this equipment.

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-12-20 01:37:38 UTC
Kenpo wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Kenpo wrote:
I run the following and have been very successful.

4x Blasters, Neutron II's
3x Tractor beams
1x Bastion Module

1x MWD
2x Tracking computer II's w/range script (tracking scripts in cargo)
1x Cap Recharger II

1x Mission Specific hardner
1x Mission Specific hardner
1x Large Armor Repairer (choose your flavor)
4x Magnetic Stabilizer II's

1x Thermal rig
1x Explosive rig

Ammo: Null L

I supplement the tank with rigs, use whatever drones you think are necessary, I have 5 salvage drones onboard for salvaging missions if I so desire instead of getting out my Noctis. With guns, tracking comps, and hardners running you are cap stable, pulse the repairer on and off when you need it. Current skills and implants I am putting out 1028k with guns alone. Please enjoy responsibly Blink



Is that your regular mission fit or have you run it through the epic arc successfully as well?


Regular mission fit, have not tried the epic arc yet with this fit, that will be this weekend most likely Smile

On a related note, if you feel you need more tank with this setup you can drop a mag stab in favor of a DCII or EANM II mod, my dps with that setup is 970.2.


just asking since this thread was asking specifically about the epic arcs. Would love to know how it holds up when you run it.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#10 - 2013-12-20 06:31:54 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Kenpo wrote:
I run the following and have been very successful.

4x Blasters, Neutron II's
3x Tractor beams
1x Bastion Module

1x MWD
2x Tracking computer II's w/range script (tracking scripts in cargo)
1x Cap Recharger II

1x Mission Specific hardner
1x Mission Specific hardner
1x Large Armor Repairer (choose your flavor)
4x Magnetic Stabilizer II's

1x Thermal rig
1x Explosive rig

Ammo: Null L

I supplement the tank with rigs, use whatever drones you think are necessary, I have 5 salvage drones onboard for salvaging missions if I so desire instead of getting out my Noctis. With guns, tracking comps, and hardners running you are cap stable, pulse the repairer on and off when you need it. Current skills and implants I am putting out 1028k with guns alone. Please enjoy responsibly Blink



Is that your regular mission fit or have you run it through the epic arc successfully as well?

For most of early missions you can get away with bastion+rep+single hardener, that is, normal L4 setup. For Assistance and later I'd recommend 2 hardeners and for Showtime 3 (third being EM, DCU II or Reactive).
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2013-12-20 07:21:04 UTC
Never used a Kronos myself, I've done the arc 3 times with mjd/mwd active rattlensake and once with an AC mach (ab fitted). Once you know the trick on assistance its pretty easy to kill stuff without face-tanking it, and I've never had much trouble, but fitting the correct hardeners helps a lot. Its also nice to have something fast to blitz the last room of carry on hub. The lowsec branch pays a lot and is pretty quick, doable with a cap injected AF or a covops fit t3.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-12-20 09:24:15 UTC
Batelle wrote:
...Its also nice to have something fast to blitz the last room of carry on hub.

finished it yesterday with "super-fit" proteus and support tengu... it was WTF to find that you don't need to kill all this stuff..... Lol

i'm just wondering if it would be possible to complete this mission in something fast like interceptor: use 'Carry On' tag and skip 2 rooms, then go straight from beacon to the hub and all.

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Gujolais
Universal Moose Federation
Moose Alliance
#13 - 2013-12-20 13:31:49 UTC
I've never done the epic arcs, is there something special about them that makes you want to use blasters?

I run plenty of level 4 missions in my range tank kronos kinda like they talk about in the comments for this except i use sentries also. I don't have any modules for cap, and i never get below 50%.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2013-12-20 15:42:06 UTC
Gujolais wrote:
I've never done the epic arcs, is there something special about them that makes you want to use blasters?

I run plenty of level 4 missions in my range tank kronos kinda like they talk about in the comments for this except i use sentries also. I don't have any modules for cap, and i never get below 50%.


people have wanted a viable blaster ship for years, the kronos is the closest we've come i think.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#15 - 2013-12-20 15:55:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Walkuris
Has anyone ever tried a Kronos with snake implants? I haven't flown it and haven't the slightest how well it applies its dps up close. Wether it's good enough to be worthwhile to bum-rush them cycle bastion once and move on.
Edit: it sounds like fun to me, might nto be as agile but the speed will be a little under the machariels, I say that without taking mass into account. I can't run EFT atm but the kronos has a little less mass.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-12-20 16:25:49 UTC
Gujolais wrote:
I've never done the epic arcs, is there something special about them that makes you want to use blasters?

I run plenty of level 4 missions in my range tank kronos kinda like they talk about in the comments for this except i use sentries also. I don't have any modules for cap, and i never get below 50%.

for range i have Rattlesnake w/ sentries.
However concept of big meany ship melting enemies's faces in close combat is always cool. Twisted

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