Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Crucible 1.1
-The rebalance of Assault Fregates. Though it could be called more of a tweak, hence the point of view mentioned above.
-Ships Affected: Retribution, Vengeance, Harpy, Hawk, Enyo, Ishkur, Jaguar, and Wolf (total of 8).

Inferno 1.0
-The rebalance of some of five Combat Frigates.
-Ships Affected: Punisher, Tormentor, Merlin, Incursus, and Rifter (total of 5).

Inferno 1.2
-The rebalance of Attack Frigates, Rookie Ships, Mining Barges, and Exhummers.
-Ships Affected: Executioner, Condor, Atron, Slasher, Imparior, Ibis, Velator, Reaper, Procuerer, Retriever, Covetor, Skiff, Machinaw, and Hulk (total of 14).

Retribution 1.0
-The rebalance of all tech-1 Cruisers, Destroyers, Disruption, Support and Exploration Frigates, and the remaining three Combat Frigates.
-The addition of new set of four Destroyers.
-The addition of the Ore Mining Frigate.
-Ships Affected: Arbitrator, Augoror, Maller, Omen, Blackbird, Caracal, Moa, Osprey, Celestis, Exequror, Thorax, Vexor, Bellicose, Scythe, Stabber, Rupture, Coercer, Comorant, Catalyst, Trasher, Crucifier, Griffin, Maulus, Vigil, Inquisitor, Bantam, Navitas, Burst, Magnate, Heron, Helios, Probe, Kestrel, Tristan, Breacher, Dragoon, Corax, Algos, Talwar, and Venture (total of 40).

Retribution 1.1
-The rebalance of Combat Battlecruisers.
-Ships Affected: Harbringer, Prophecy, Drake, Feros, Brutix, Myrmidon, Cyclone, Hurricane (total of 8).

Odyssey 1.0
-The rebalance of Navy Faction Frigates, Cruisers and Battleships, regular Battleships, and Attack Battlecruisers.
-The addition of Navy Faction Battlecruisers.
-Ships Affected: Imperail Navy Slicer, Caldari Navy Hookbill, Federation Navy Comet, Republic Fleet Firetail, Augoror Navy Issue, Omen Navy Issue, Caracal Navy Issue, Osprey Navy Issue, Exequror Navy Issue, Vexor Navy Issue, Scythe Navy Issue, Stabber Navy Issue, Apocalypse Navy Issue, Armageddon Navy Issue, Raven Navy Issue, Scorpion Navy Issue, Dominix Navy Issue, Megathron Navy Issue, Tempest Navy Issue, Typhoon Navy Issue, Abaddon, Apocalypse, Armageddon, Raven, Rokh, Scorpion, Dominix, Hyperion, Megathron, Maelstrom, Tempest, Typhoon, Oracle, Naga, Talos, and Tornado (total of 36).

Odyssey 1.1
-The rebalance of Command Ships, Heavy Assault Cruisers, and racial Industrials.
-Ships Affected: Absolution, Damnation, Nighthawk, Vulture, Astare, Eos, Claymore, SLeipnir, Sacrilage, Zealot, Cerebus, Eagle, Deimos, Ishtar, Munin, Vagabond, Bestower, Sigil, Badger, Tarya, Epithal, Iteron V, Kryos, Miasmos, Nereus, Hoarder, Mammoth, and Wreathe (total of 28).

Rubicon 1.0
-The rebalance of Electronic Attack Frigates, Interceptors, Interdictors, and Marauders.
-The addition of Sisters of Eve Pirate Faction Frigate and Cruiser.
-Ships Affected: Sentinel, Kitsune, Keres, Hyena, Crusader, Malediction, Crow, Raptor, Ares, Taranis, Heretic, Flycatcher, Eris, Sabre, Paladin, Golem, Kronos, and Vargur (total of 22).

Total number of ships added or rebalanced so far is 161.

So what do I think should be rebalanced next? And why.

Firstly the rebalance of all capitals and super capitals as well as the Heavy Interdictors ,which are mainly anti super capital ships should be postponed till later. Granted there seems to be more then a little grievances concerning supercarrier blobs, useless capital missiles, perfect sentry alpha and such. But to rebalance them I believe some other things must happen first. New pirate implant set that is the shield equivalent of the slave set. Possibly some changes to drone mechanics and assist. Rebalance of XL missile lanchers (rapid cruise missile launcher anyone?). Maybe some sovrenity changes for the rebalance of supers. Maybe they find new roles. And rebalancing hics is a bit pointless before supercaps are in shape.

Secondly the industrial ships are a bit of low priority ships. And since the addition of new deployable structures may vastly change the roles they would need to fill, their rebalance should be left to a later time. With the possible exception of Deep Space Transport. A bit more gank resistant high sec hauler would be nice.

Strategic cruisers, while in need of rebalance are also allover the place, meaning that the other ships that they have overlaping roles with will propably need to be rebalanced first as to either limiting the rebalancing options of said classes. Or require a second go at the Strategic Cruisers in relatively near future.

As for the logis, they dont seem to be in too dire of a need for rebalance.

So this process of elimination leaves us with Recon Ships, Stealth Bombers, Covert Ops, Black Ops, and the Pirate Faction Ships.
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Of these, the ones in the most dire need of rebalance are, in my less then humbe opinion (humility is overrated anyway), the Sansha Pirate Faction ships. Lets be honest. They are abominations. And not in the way they are supposed to be. They are the only shield laser boats in the game and the suck more then an industrial grade vacuum cleaner.

But how should they change? While they might not be the most canonically correct ships (isn't sansha supposed to be armor users?) I really hope they stay as shield ships, since there are no other shield laser combos around.

Firstly though the Phantasm and the Nightmare want their stolen med slots back. The fact that these two ships have one less slot then their counterparts in other Pirate Factions makes them clearly weaker.

The second thing is mainly a question of wheter the pirate ships should have a secondary, more utilitarian role bonus like the SoE line ships do. A rr bonus like the Nestor will have, could be intresting. And concidering the number of utility highs in the Sansha ship lines, it would also work well with the line. Some type of e-war bonus could also make them more interesting to fly. Or perhaps an improved warp speed, though that would woek better for the racial skill bonus.

As for their role, the ship line could move a bit more towards the attack role. Not all the way, but they could be somewhat more manuverable.

well fozzie has ruled out pirates as the next re-balance in the point release which leaves T2 cruisers so HIC's, Recons, logi's.
then either pirates or T3's. hopefully T3's before pirates..

Nevertheless, pirates have indeed been ruled out as next to be reviewed.

This means the next will be some manner of T2 ship. I would say Blops, recons and covops/bombers.